From tcameron at aamc.org Tue Sep 1 01:07:34 2015 From: tcameron at aamc.org (Terri Cameron) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 01:07:34 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Report ID question In-Reply-To: <55C89D13D3F4994BAB56FB69D4491C6310015885C1@EXMBOX-VP05.OSUMC.EDU> References: <55C89D13D3F4994BAB56FB69D4491C6310015885C1@EXMBOX-VP05.OSUMC.EDU> Message-ID: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB026CC913C4@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> We will have to look at our error message logic. The record length for ReportID is 15, so that should be the error message... Thanks! Terri Terri Cameron, MA Director of Curriculum Programs Association of American Medical Colleges 655 K Street, Washington, DC 20001 217-891-2076 | tcameron at aamc.org | aamc.org/cir -----Original Message----- From: Collins, Molley [Molley.Collins at osumc.edu] Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 04:51 PM Eastern Standard Time To: ciimplementer at medbiq.org Subject: [Ciimplementer] Report ID question Why is this Report ID throwing an error? It?s all alphanumeric? Is there a length limit that?s being exceeded maybe? CS01: Report ID OSUCIx20150831x154006 includes invalid characters. Only alphanumeric characters are allowed (i.e., no punctuation). -- Molley Collins Developer Business Systems 614-366-5996 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tcameron at aamc.org Tue Sep 1 01:08:12 2015 From: tcameron at aamc.org (Terri Cameron) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 01:08:12 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Report ID question In-Reply-To: <55C89D13D3F4994BAB56FB69D4491C6310015885C2@EXMBOX-VP05.OSUMC.EDU> References: <55C89D13D3F4994BAB56FB69D4491C6310015885C2@EXMBOX-VP05.OSUMC.EDU> Message-ID: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB026CC913D6@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> No problem...I must not be able to count :) Terri Cameron, MA Director of Curriculum Programs Association of American Medical Colleges 655 K Street, Washington, DC 20001 217-891-2076 | tcameron at aamc.org | aamc.org/cir -----Original Message----- From: Collins, Molley [Molley.Collins at osumc.edu] Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 04:57 PM Eastern Standard Time To: ciimplementer at medbiq.org Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Report ID question Never mind ? seems that for some reason a newline character was inserted directly after that ID in my XML. Not sure why the error message stripped that out, but glad I found it! Sorry to bother everyone! -- Molley Collins Developer Business Systems 614-366-5996 From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Collins, Molley Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 4:52 PM To: ciimplementer at medbiq.org Subject: [Ciimplementer] Report ID question Why is this Report ID throwing an error? It?s all alphanumeric? Is there a length limit that?s being exceeded maybe? CS01: Report ID OSUCIx20150831x154006 includes invalid characters. Only alphanumeric characters are allowed (i.e., no punctuation). -- Molley Collins Developer Business Systems 614-366-5996 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Molley.Collins at osumc.edu Tue Sep 1 13:23:41 2015 From: Molley.Collins at osumc.edu (Collins, Molley) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 09:23:41 -0400 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Report ID question In-Reply-To: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB026CC913C4@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> References: <55C89D13D3F4994BAB56FB69D4491C6310015885C1@EXMBOX-VP05.OSUMC.EDU> <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB026CC913C4@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> Message-ID: <55C89D13D3F4994BAB56FB69D4491C6310015885C3@EXMBOX-VP05.OSUMC.EDU> The following document (page 7) says that the ReportID max length is 500. That?s why I was confused. ? Thanks for your help! https://www.aamc.org/download/348854/data/cibusinessrules.pdf -- Molley Collins Developer Business Systems 614-366-5996 From: Terri Cameron [mailto:tcameron at aamc.org] Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 9:08 PM To: Collins, Molley; 'ciimplementer at medbiq.org' Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] Report ID question We will have to look at our error message logic. The record length for ReportID is 15, so that should be the error message... Thanks! Terri Terri Cameron, MA Director of Curriculum Programs Association of American Medical Colleges 655 K Street, Washington, DC 20001 217-891-2076 | tcameron at aamc.org | aamc.org/cir -----Original Message----- From: Collins, Molley [Molley.Collins at osumc.edu] Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 04:51 PM Eastern Standard Time To: ciimplementer at medbiq.org Subject: [Ciimplementer] Report ID question Why is this Report ID throwing an error? It?s all alphanumeric? Is there a length limit that?s being exceeded maybe? CS01: Report ID OSUCIx20150831x154006 includes invalid characters. Only alphanumeric characters are allowed (i.e., no punctuation). -- Molley Collins Developer Business Systems 614-366-5996 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu Wed Sep 2 17:23:04 2015 From: yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu (Chen, Ye (yc5x)) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 17:23:04 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] selective/elective questions Message-ID: Terri & all others, I have a question need to be clarified. In our third years, it is our clerkship year. I set up the sequence block with clerkship model. My problem is our fourth year classes. They are all selectives. Selectives are 2-4 week clinical rotations. Students in a subdivison of medicine working in the inpatient or outpatient setting learning while taking care of real patients. We have hundreds of these selectives. Each of them either 2 weeks or 4 weeks. Students require to choose at least 40 weeks selectives. Each selective will be nested blocks of the parent block since they are selectives. The parent block will be something like this then it includes block reference to those selective blocks. My question is each selective block, should it be considered Clerkship that I should add rotation In the block? Thanks Ye -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Sascha.Cohen at ucsf.edu Wed Sep 2 18:35:38 2015 From: Sascha.Cohen at ucsf.edu (Cohen, Sascha) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 18:35:38 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] selective/elective questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ye, we have a somewhat similar situation in our 4th year; I think it makes sense to list those 2-4 week elective/selective rotations as clerkships within the parent block, since despite the differences, they seem more (in terms of actual activity) like miniature clerkships than anything else. Terri, does that make sense in terms of your reporting for 4th year activities? Or is there a better aligned approach? Sascha Benjamin Cohen Director, Technology Strategy & Development Technology Enhanced Education UCSF School of Medicine sascha.cohen at ucsf.edu 415.704.4521 vox 415.418.6277 fax https://www.iliosproject.org https://curriculum.ucsf.edu ________________________________ From: Ciimplementer [ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] on behalf of Chen, Ye (yc5x) [yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:23 AM To: 'ciimplementer at medbiq.org'; Terri Cameron Subject: [Ciimplementer] selective/elective questions Terri & all others, I have a question need to be clarified. In our third years, it is our clerkship year. I set up the sequence block with clerkship model. My problem is our fourth year classes. They are all selectives. Selectives are 2-4 week clinical rotations. Students in a subdivison of medicine working in the inpatient or outpatient setting learning while taking care of real patients. We have hundreds of these selectives. Each of them either 2 weeks or 4 weeks. Students require to choose at least 40 weeks selectives. Each selective will be nested blocks of the parent block since they are selectives. The parent block will be something like this then it includes block reference to those selective blocks. My question is each selective block, should it be considered Clerkship that I should add rotation In the block? Thanks Ye -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu Wed Sep 2 19:20:49 2015 From: yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu (Chen, Ye (yc5x)) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 19:20:49 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] selective/elective questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sascha, Thanks for the quick response. I am thinking to do the same way. The activity is more like clerkship. So I think in the report (the pdf file after you submit your XML file to AAMC), it should be listed under clerkship part. If we don't put rotation It will be reported with other first 18 months courses. Terri, If you know other schools do differently or you have different opinion, please let us know. Thanks Ye From: "Cohen, Sascha" > Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 2:35 PM To: Ye Chen >, "'ciimplementer at medbiq.org'" >, Terri Cameron > Subject: RE: selective/elective questions Ye, we have a somewhat similar situation in our 4th year; I think it makes sense to list those 2-4 week elective/selective rotations as clerkships within the parent block, since despite the differences, they seem more (in terms of actual activity) like miniature clerkships than anything else. Terri, does that make sense in terms of your reporting for 4th year activities? Or is there a better aligned approach? Sascha Benjamin Cohen Director, Technology Strategy & Development Technology Enhanced Education UCSF School of Medicine sascha.cohen at ucsf.edu 415.704.4521 vox 415.418.6277 fax https://www.iliosproject.org https://curriculum.ucsf.edu ________________________________ From: Ciimplementer [ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] on behalf of Chen, Ye (yc5x) [yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:23 AM To: 'ciimplementer at medbiq.org'; Terri Cameron Subject: [Ciimplementer] selective/elective questions Terri & all others, I have a question need to be clarified. In our third years, it is our clerkship year. I set up the sequence block with clerkship model. My problem is our fourth year classes. They are all selectives. Selectives are 2-4 week clinical rotations. Students in a subdivison of medicine working in the inpatient or outpatient setting learning while taking care of real patients. We have hundreds of these selectives. Each of them either 2 weeks or 4 weeks. Students require to choose at least 40 weeks selectives. Each selective will be nested blocks of the parent block since they are selectives. The parent block will be something like this then it includes block reference to those selective blocks. My question is each selective block, should it be considered Clerkship that I should add rotation In the block? Thanks Ye -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tcameron at aamc.org Wed Sep 2 22:32:39 2015 From: tcameron at aamc.org (Terri Cameron) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 22:32:39 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] selective/elective questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB027F3A805F@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> Thanks, Ye and Sascha. We would prefer to keep clerkships as separate entities, and just title the parent sequence block Electives or Selectives. That course should be required, using the XML tags to show the number required, but the individual sequence blocks would be optional. Depending on the SB, there might be additional levels of nested sequence blocks. Does that make sense? Thanks! Terri Terri Cameron, MA Director of Curriculum Programs Association of American Medical Colleges 655 K Street, Washington, DC 20001 217-891-2076 | tcameron at aamc.org | aamc.org/cir -----Original Message----- From: Cohen, Sascha [Sascha.Cohen at ucsf.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 02:38 PM Eastern Standard Time To: Chen, Ye (yc5x); 'ciimplementer at medbiq.org'; Terri Cameron Subject: RE: selective/elective questions Ye, we have a somewhat similar situation in our 4th year; I think it makes sense to list those 2-4 week elective/selective rotations as clerkships within the parent block, since despite the differences, they seem more (in terms of actual activity) like miniature clerkships than anything else. Terri, does that make sense in terms of your reporting for 4th year activities? Or is there a better aligned approach? Sascha Benjamin Cohen Director, Technology Strategy & Development Technology Enhanced Education UCSF School of Medicine sascha.cohen at ucsf.edu 415.704.4521 vox 415.418.6277 fax https://www.iliosproject.org https://curriculum.ucsf.edu ________________________________ From: Ciimplementer [ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] on behalf of Chen, Ye (yc5x) [yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:23 AM To: 'ciimplementer at medbiq.org'; Terri Cameron Subject: [Ciimplementer] selective/elective questions Terri & all others, I have a question need to be clarified. In our third years, it is our clerkship year. I set up the sequence block with clerkship model. My problem is our fourth year classes. They are all selectives. Selectives are 2-4 week clinical rotations. Students in a subdivison of medicine working in the inpatient or outpatient setting learning while taking care of real patients. We have hundreds of these selectives. Each of them either 2 weeks or 4 weeks. Students require to choose at least 40 weeks selectives. Each selective will be nested blocks of the parent block since they are selectives. The parent block will be something like this then it includes block reference to those selective blocks. My question is each selective block, should it be considered Clerkship that I should add rotation In the block? Thanks Ye -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu Thu Sep 3 00:38:02 2015 From: yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu (Chen, Ye (yc5x)) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 00:38:02 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] selective/elective questions In-Reply-To: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB027F3A805F@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> References: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB027F3A805F@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> Message-ID: Terri, See my response inside your text below in red font From: Terri Cameron > Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 6:32 PM To: "'Cohen, Sascha'" >, Ye Chen >, "'ciimplementer at medbiq.org'" > Subject: RE: selective/elective questions Thanks, Ye and Sascha. We would prefer to keep clerkships as separate entities, and just title the parent sequence block Electives or Selectives. That course should be required, using the XML tags to show the number required, Yes, that is exactly what I am doing but the individual sequence blocks would be optional. Depending on the SB, there might be additional levels of nested sequence blocks. Here is my question. For the individual sequence block, we did tag it optional.My question is whether we also should tag it rotation ? Because this selective runs in the format of 2-4 week clinical rotations.Students in a subdivison of medicine working in the inpatient or outpatient setting learning while taking care of real patients. Those events instructional methods either Clinical Experience-Inpatient or clinical experience-Ambulatory Does that make sense? Thanks! Terri Terri Cameron, MA Director of Curriculum Programs Association of American Medical Colleges 655 K Street, Washington, DC 20001 217-891-2076 | tcameron at aamc.org | aamc.org/cir -----Original Message----- From: Cohen, Sascha [Sascha.Cohen at ucsf.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 02:38 PM Eastern Standard Time To: Chen, Ye (yc5x); 'ciimplementer at medbiq.org'; Terri Cameron Subject: RE: selective/elective questions Ye, we have a somewhat similar situation in our 4th year; I think it makes sense to list those 2-4 week elective/selective rotations as clerkships within the parent block, since despite the differences, they seem more (in terms of actual activity) like miniature clerkships than anything else. Terri, does that make sense in terms of your reporting for 4th year activities? Or is there a better aligned approach? Sascha Benjamin Cohen Director, Technology Strategy & Development Technology Enhanced Education UCSF School of Medicine sascha.cohen at ucsf.edu 415.704.4521 vox 415.418.6277 fax https://www.iliosproject.org https://curriculum.ucsf.edu ________________________________ From: Ciimplementer [ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] on behalf of Chen, Ye (yc5x) [yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:23 AM To: 'ciimplementer at medbiq.org'; Terri Cameron Subject: [Ciimplementer] selective/elective questions Terri & all others, I have a question need to be clarified. In our third years, it is our clerkship year. I set up the sequence block with clerkship model. My problem is our fourth year classes. They are all selectives. Selectives are 2-4 week clinical rotations. Students in a subdivison of medicine working in the inpatient or outpatient setting learning while taking care of real patients. We have hundreds of these selectives. Each of them either 2 weeks or 4 weeks. Students require to choose at least 40 weeks selectives. Each selective will be nested blocks of the parent block since they are selectives. The parent block will be something like this then it includes block reference to those selective blocks. My question is each selective block, should it be considered Clerkship that I should add rotation In the block? Thanks Ye -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tcameron at aamc.org Thu Sep 3 07:03:30 2015 From: tcameron at aamc.org (Terri Cameron) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 07:03:30 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] selective/elective questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB027F3A811C@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> I understand that these rotations are clinical, but, from a curriculum description and reporting standpoint, there is a difference between a clerkship and a clinical elective/selective. We started a discussion about a definition for clerkships a few months ago, and did not get it distributed, so I will have to get back to that, but, basically, a clerkship is a focused area of study that prepares learners to care for students in a particular specialty. We can no longer say that all clerkships are required, and we have to either broaden the definition or create a separate one for integrated / longitudinal clerkships, but there is a difference between a clerkship and an elective. It IS getting harder to distinguish, particularly when you are documenting electives such as sub-internships, but, if you know by the course name that it is not a clerkship, we would prefer that it not be documented as a clerkship. We will get back to work on those definitions and get them published to help with the confusion... Thanks again, Ye. If other people are using the clerkship model for clinical electives, please chime in so we can hear all viewpoints. Perhaps I am making an unnecessary distinction, but we did hope to use the clerkship model to answer questions such as 'In what academic levels do students take clerkships?' 'What is the average length of a clerkship?' 'What specialties have clerkships?' Etc... Terri Terri Cameron, MA Director of Curriculum Programs Association of American Medical Colleges 655 K Street, Washington, DC 20001 217-891-2076 | tcameron at aamc.org | aamc.org/cir -----Original Message----- From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 08:38 PM Eastern Standard Time To: Terri Cameron; 'Cohen, Sascha'; 'ciimplementer at medbiq.org' Subject: Re: selective/elective questions Terri, See my response inside your text below in red font From: Terri Cameron > Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 6:32 PM To: "'Cohen, Sascha'" >, Ye Chen >, "'ciimplementer at medbiq.org'" > Subject: RE: selective/elective questions Thanks, Ye and Sascha. We would prefer to keep clerkships as separate entities, and just title the parent sequence block Electives or Selectives. That course should be required, using the XML tags to show the number required, Yes, that is exactly what I am doing but the individual sequence blocks would be optional. Depending on the SB, there might be additional levels of nested sequence blocks. Here is my question. For the individual sequence block, we did tag it optional.My question is whether we also should tag it rotation ? Because this selective runs in the format of 2-4 week clinical rotations.Students in a subdivison of medicine working in the inpatient or outpatient setting learning while taking care of real patients. Those events instructional methods either Clinical Experience-Inpatient or clinical experience-Ambulatory Does that make sense? Thanks! Terri Terri Cameron, MA Director of Curriculum Programs Association of American Medical Colleges 655 K Street, Washington, DC 20001 217-891-2076 | tcameron at aamc.org | aamc.org/cir -----Original Message----- From: Cohen, Sascha [Sascha.Cohen at ucsf.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 02:38 PM Eastern Standard Time To: Chen, Ye (yc5x); 'ciimplementer at medbiq.org'; Terri Cameron Subject: RE: selective/elective questions Ye, we have a somewhat similar situation in our 4th year; I think it makes sense to list those 2-4 week elective/selective rotations as clerkships within the parent block, since despite the differences, they seem more (in terms of actual activity) like miniature clerkships than anything else. Terri, does that make sense in terms of your reporting for 4th year activities? Or is there a better aligned approach? Sascha Benjamin Cohen Director, Technology Strategy & Development Technology Enhanced Education UCSF School of Medicine sascha.cohen at ucsf.edu 415.704.4521 vox 415.418.6277 fax https://www.iliosproject.org https://curriculum.ucsf.edu ________________________________ From: Ciimplementer [ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] on behalf of Chen, Ye (yc5x) [yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:23 AM To: 'ciimplementer at medbiq.org'; Terri Cameron Subject: [Ciimplementer] selective/elective questions Terri & all others, I have a question need to be clarified. In our third years, it is our clerkship year. I set up the sequence block with clerkship model. My problem is our fourth year classes. They are all selectives. Selectives are 2-4 week clinical rotations. Students in a subdivison of medicine working in the inpatient or outpatient setting learning while taking care of real patients. We have hundreds of these selectives. Each of them either 2 weeks or 4 weeks. Students require to choose at least 40 weeks selectives. Each selective will be nested blocks of the parent block since they are selectives. The parent block will be something like this then it includes block reference to those selective blocks. My question is each selective block, should it be considered Clerkship that I should add rotation In the block? Thanks Ye -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu Thu Sep 3 13:26:58 2015 From: yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu (Chen, Ye (yc5x)) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 13:26:58 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] selective/elective questions In-Reply-To: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB027F3A811C@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> References: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB027F3A811C@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> Message-ID: Terri, Thanks for the clarification. I am glad I brought this in. When I asked our curriculum dean about the electives/selectives whether they are considered clerkship or regular course, she told me they are not clerkships and not courses either like the first 18 months courses for MED 1 students. Now what you explained make more sense. I will not put them as clerkship model. Thanks Ye From: Terri Cameron > Date: Thursday, September 3, 2015 3:03 AM To: Ye Chen >, "'Cohen, Sascha'" >, "'ciimplementer at medbiq.org'" > Subject: RE: selective/elective questions I understand that these rotations are clinical, but, from a curriculum description and reporting standpoint, there is a difference between a clerkship and a clinical elective/selective. We started a discussion about a definition for clerkships a few months ago, and did not get it distributed, so I will have to get back to that, but, basically, a clerkship is a focused area of study that prepares learners to care for students in a particular specialty. We can no longer say that all clerkships are required, and we have to either broaden the definition or create a separate one for integrated / longitudinal clerkships, but there is a difference between a clerkship and an elective. It IS getting harder to distinguish, particularly when you are documenting electives such as sub-internships, but, if you know by the course name that it is not a clerkship, we would prefer that it not be documented as a clerkship. We will get back to work on those definitions and get them published to help with the confusion... Thanks again, Ye. If other people are using the clerkship model for clinical electives, please chime in so we can hear all viewpoints. Perhaps I am making an unnecessary distinction, but we did hope to use the clerkship model to answer questions such as 'In what academic levels do students take clerkships?' 'What is the average length of a clerkship?' 'What specialties have clerkships?' Etc... Terri Terri Cameron, MA Director of Curriculum Programs Association of American Medical Colleges 655 K Street, Washington, DC 20001 217-891-2076 | tcameron at aamc.org | aamc.org/cir -----Original Message----- From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 08:38 PM Eastern Standard Time To: Terri Cameron; 'Cohen, Sascha'; 'ciimplementer at medbiq.org' Subject: Re: selective/elective questions Terri, See my response inside your text below in red font From: Terri Cameron > Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 6:32 PM To: "'Cohen, Sascha'" >, Ye Chen >, "'ciimplementer at medbiq.org'" > Subject: RE: selective/elective questions Thanks, Ye and Sascha. We would prefer to keep clerkships as separate entities, and just title the parent sequence block Electives or Selectives. That course should be required, using the XML tags to show the number required, Yes, that is exactly what I am doing but the individual sequence blocks would be optional. Depending on the SB, there might be additional levels of nested sequence blocks. Here is my question. For the individual sequence block, we did tag it optional.My question is whether we also should tag it rotation ? Because this selective runs in the format of 2-4 week clinical rotations.Students in a subdivison of medicine working in the inpatient or outpatient setting learning while taking care of real patients. Those events instructional methods either Clinical Experience-Inpatient or clinical experience-Ambulatory Does that make sense? Thanks! Terri Terri Cameron, MA Director of Curriculum Programs Association of American Medical Colleges 655 K Street, Washington, DC 20001 217-891-2076 | tcameron at aamc.org | aamc.org/cir -----Original Message----- From: Cohen, Sascha [Sascha.Cohen at ucsf.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 02:38 PM Eastern Standard Time To: Chen, Ye (yc5x); 'ciimplementer at medbiq.org'; Terri Cameron Subject: RE: selective/elective questions Ye, we have a somewhat similar situation in our 4th year; I think it makes sense to list those 2-4 week elective/selective rotations as clerkships within the parent block, since despite the differences, they seem more (in terms of actual activity) like miniature clerkships than anything else. Terri, does that make sense in terms of your reporting for 4th year activities? Or is there a better aligned approach? Sascha Benjamin Cohen Director, Technology Strategy & Development Technology Enhanced Education UCSF School of Medicine sascha.cohen at ucsf.edu 415.704.4521 vox 415.418.6277 fax https://www.iliosproject.org https://curriculum.ucsf.edu ________________________________ From: Ciimplementer [ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] on behalf of Chen, Ye (yc5x) [yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:23 AM To: 'ciimplementer at medbiq.org'; Terri Cameron Subject: [Ciimplementer] selective/elective questions Terri & all others, I have a question need to be clarified. In our third years, it is our clerkship year. I set up the sequence block with clerkship model. My problem is our fourth year classes. They are all selectives. Selectives are 2-4 week clinical rotations. Students in a subdivison of medicine working in the inpatient or outpatient setting learning while taking care of real patients. We have hundreds of these selectives. Each of them either 2 weeks or 4 weeks. Students require to choose at least 40 weeks selectives. Each selective will be nested blocks of the parent block since they are selectives. The parent block will be something like this then it includes block reference to those selective blocks. My question is each selective block, should it be considered Clerkship that I should add rotation In the block? Thanks Ye -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu Fri Sep 11 20:06:40 2015 From: yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu (Chen, Ye (yc5x)) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 20:06:40 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Clerkship Events Recording Message-ID: Terri & others, I am working on our school CI report. I have a question. We found we did not record Patient Presentation event in clerkship. I need to add them in. I was told the patient presentation happened every day per student. Each student will present 10 minutes for instance. For a 2 weeks clerkship, it will be 10 days. Can I record one event for total 10*10 days =100 minutes for patient presentation? Or I have to record 10 events for patient presentation, each event has 10 minutes? There are a lot of such similar situation, like ward rounds, clinical experience-inpatient. Some of them, I just combined into one event. If that is not right, I have to split them into several events. Thanks Ye -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tcameron at aamc.org Sat Sep 12 00:24:39 2015 From: tcameron at aamc.org (Terri Cameron) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 00:24:39 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Clerkship Events Recording In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB027F3B6BD7@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> Hi, Ye. This is something we have not documented well. My initial thought was to combine events as you describe, since that was the most efficient way to do it. And that works if we are reporting time (hours). If we are reporting events, however, combining into one event provides a less accurate accounting of the number of events where the instructional method occurs. At this point, I am guessing that these types of events are bring entered both ways, so it does not matter which you use, as long as your Curriculum Dean is OK with the Verification Report. We do need a Best Practice on this, so I would appreciate hearing other opinions. Terri Terri Cameron, MA Director of Curriculum Programs Association of American Medical Colleges 655 K Street, Washington, DC 20001 217-891-2076 | tcameron at aamc.org | aamc.org/cir -----Original Message----- From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 04:06 PM Eastern Standard Time To: Terri Cameron; 'ciimplementer at medbiq.org' Subject: Clerkship Events Recording Terri & others, I am working on our school CI report. I have a question. We found we did not record Patient Presentation event in clerkship. I need to add them in. I was told the patient presentation happened every day per student. Each student will present 10 minutes for instance. For a 2 weeks clerkship, it will be 10 days. Can I record one event for total 10*10 days =100 minutes for patient presentation? Or I have to record 10 events for patient presentation, each event has 10 minutes? There are a lot of such similar situation, like ward rounds, clinical experience-inpatient. Some of them, I just combined into one event. If that is not right, I have to split them into several events. Thanks Ye -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu Sat Sep 12 04:34:24 2015 From: yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu (Chen, Ye (yc5x)) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 04:34:24 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Clerkship Events Recording In-Reply-To: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB027F3B6BD7@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> References: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB027F3B6BD7@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> Message-ID: Terri, You are right. The problem is the number of events if we combine them. Our dean reviewed the report, she had questions about the number of events. Like the example I mentioned, it is supposed to have 20 events for patient presentation, but it only showed one because I combined them into one. If AAMC is going to use number of events to do some statistic analysis on something, it is better to have standard requirement. Either split or combine, all schools follow one rule. Since you have not documented this part yet, I will see how much work involved to split them. I will try to split them. Thanks Ye From: Terri Cameron > Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 8:24 PM To: Ye Chen >, "'ciimplementer at medbiq.org'" > Subject: RE: Clerkship Events Recording Hi, Ye. This is something we have not documented well. My initial thought was to combine events as you describe, since that was the most efficient way to do it. And that works if we are reporting time (hours). If we are reporting events, however, combining into one event provides a less accurate accounting of the number of events where the instructional method occurs. At this point, I am guessing that these types of events are bring entered both ways, so it does not matter which you use, as long as your Curriculum Dean is OK with the Verification Report. We do need a Best Practice on this, so I would appreciate hearing other opinions. Terri Terri Cameron, MA Director of Curriculum Programs Association of American Medical Colleges 655 K Street, Washington, DC 20001 217-891-2076 | tcameron at aamc.org | aamc.org/cir -----Original Message----- From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 04:06 PM Eastern Standard Time To: Terri Cameron; 'ciimplementer at medbiq.org' Subject: Clerkship Events Recording Terri & others, I am working on our school CI report. I have a question. We found we did not record Patient Presentation event in clerkship. I need to add them in. I was told the patient presentation happened every day per student. Each student will present 10 minutes for instance. For a 2 weeks clerkship, it will be 10 days. Can I record one event for total 10*10 days =100 minutes for patient presentation? Or I have to record 10 events for patient presentation, each event has 10 minutes? There are a lot of such similar situation, like ward rounds, clinical experience-inpatient. Some of them, I just combined into one event. If that is not right, I have to split them into several events. Thanks Ye -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rivest at oakland.edu Tue Sep 15 14:20:56 2015 From: rivest at oakland.edu (Robin Rivest) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 10:20:56 -0400 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Clerkship Events Recording In-Reply-To: References: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB027F3B6BD7@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> Message-ID: I can share that we use both individual events and Bulk Events for our Clerkships. Bulk Events are typically used to capture hours only and are things that occur at some point during the rotation, but not on a set day or time. Or, like mentioned in your scenario, they are used to capture activities that occur daily, so rather than create 30 events, we create 1 to capture the total number of hours. I am not sure that a standard could be developed, necessarily because in my mind it depends on what level of tracking is required to meet a standard or multiple standards (#1), but also at what level each school prefers to track the information internally (#2). Some schools use their CI data to track room usage, or instructor participation, or as you mentioned # of events, for example, so in those instances you would want to get the data down to the event level, even if it's repeated daily. If you're not attempting to track additional types of information than 1 event may suffice for hours. I hope this information is helpful. On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Chen, Ye (yc5x) < yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu> wrote: > Terri, > You are right. The problem is the number of events if we combine them. Our > dean reviewed the report, she had questions about the number of events. > Like the example I mentioned, it is supposed to have 20 events for patient > presentation, but it only showed one because I combined them into one. > > If AAMC is going to use number of events to do some statistic analysis on > something, it is better to have standard requirement. Either split or > combine, all schools follow one rule. > > Since you have not documented this part yet, I will see how much work > involved to split them. I will try to split them. > > Thanks > Ye > > From: Terri Cameron > Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 8:24 PM > To: Ye Chen , "'ciimplementer at medbiq.org'" < > ciimplementer at medbiq.org> > Subject: RE: Clerkship Events Recording > > Hi, Ye. This is something we have not documented well. My initial thought > was to combine events as you describe, since that was the most efficient > way to do it. And that works if we are reporting time (hours). > > If we are reporting events, however, combining into one event provides a > less accurate accounting of the number of events where the instructional > method occurs. > > At this point, I am guessing that these types of events are bring entered > both ways, so it does not matter which you use, as long as your Curriculum > Dean is OK with the Verification Report. > > We do need a Best Practice on this, so I would appreciate hearing other > opinions. > > Terri > > > > Terri Cameron, MA > Director of Curriculum Programs > Association of American Medical Colleges > 655 K Street, Washington, DC 20001 > 217-891-2076 | tcameron at aamc.org | aamc.org/cir > > -----Original Message----- > *From: *Chen, Ye (yc5x) [yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu] > *Sent: *Friday, September 11, 2015 04:06 PM Eastern Standard Time > *To: *Terri Cameron; 'ciimplementer at medbiq.org' > *Subject: *Clerkship Events Recording > > Terri & others, > > I am working on our school CI report. I have a question. We found we did > not record Patient Presentation event in clerkship. I need to add them in. > I was told the patient presentation happened every day per student. Each > student will present 10 minutes for instance. For a 2 weeks clerkship, it > will be 10 days. > > Can I record one event for total 10*10 days =100 minutes for patient > presentation? Or I have to record 10 events for patient presentation, each > event has 10 minutes? > > > > There are a lot of such similar situation, like ward rounds, clinical > experience-inpatient. Some of them, I just combined into one event. If that > is not right, I have to split them into several events. > > > > Thanks > Ye > > _______________________________________________ > Ciimplementer mailing list > Ciimplementer at medbiq.org > http://medbiq.org/mailman/listinfo/ciimplementer_medbiq.org > > -- Regards, Robin Rivest, M.Ed., MBA Director of Curriculum Data Management Oakland University William Beaumont School of Medicine 2200 North Squirrel Road 504 O'Dowd Hall Rochester, MI 48309-4401 phone: (248) 370-4859 rivest at oakland.edu http://www.oakland.edu/medicine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chowse at ucdavis.edu Thu Sep 24 23:55:17 2015 From: chowse at ucdavis.edu (Christopher J. Howse) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 23:55:17 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Schema property binding conflict... Message-ID: Good afternoon All, New to list and working on CI file for UCDHS. I'm trying to create bindings that will help to create xml file. Problem is with conflicting property "Lang". "Lang" is defined in multiple places. I didn't see this problem in the archives. Anyone else using Java to create CI file and have you created xjb for the curriculuminventory xsd? Regards, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Chris J Howse P8 Supervisor UC Davis Health System / Academics christopher.howse at ucdmc.ucdavis.edu 916+734+2391 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LYBRAND at mail.etsu.edu Fri Sep 25 14:43:29 2015 From: LYBRAND at mail.etsu.edu (Lybrand, Cynthia D.) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 14:43:29 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Curriculum Inventory Questions Message-ID: Would really appreciate input on: 1. For 3rd or 4th year curriculum offerings, [non clinical in nature = e.g., Career Exploration III] do you report those under courses or clerkships? 2. For the heading: Typical hours / week formal instruction** = I've been asked to clarify whether this includes all instruction or is just didactic hours only. I'm thinking it would be all instructional methods, but couldn't locate a definition within the guides / glossary of terms. Thanks in advance... Cindy Cindy Lybrand, M.Ed. Office of Academic Affairs / Medical Education ETSU Quillen College of Medicine Room C-113 Stanton-Gerber Hall, Bldg. 178 Box 70571, Johnson City, TN 37614-1708 Desk: (423) 439-6756, Cell (423) 647-5827, Fax: (423) 439-8004 Web: http://www.etsu.edu/com/ or Email: lybrand at etsu.edu Note: The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Go Green! Please do not print this e-mail unless it is completely necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Curiculum Inventory Upload 9_25_2015 QCOM.PDF Type: application/pdf Size: 129794 bytes Desc: Curiculum Inventory Upload 9_25_2015 QCOM.PDF URL: From Sascha.Cohen at ucsf.edu Fri Sep 25 16:54:07 2015 From: Sascha.Cohen at ucsf.edu (Cohen, Sascha) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 16:54:07 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Curriculum Inventory Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cindy, On item 1, if your non-clinical activity is not explicitly part of an integrated/longitudinal clerkship experience, I would suspect you want to report it as course rather than clerkship. Of course, as Terri pointed out at the vendor meeting, a clerkship is a clerkship if you say it is a clerkship.... On item 2, I'd be interested in hearing the interpretation of others, but from where I am standing we take that to mean all methods, exclusive of independent/self-directed learning. Sascha Benjamin Cohen Director, Technology Strategy & Development Technology Enhanced Education UCSF School of Medicine sascha.cohen at ucsf.edu 415.704.4521 vox 415.418.6277 fax https://www.iliosproject.org https://curriculum.ucsf.edu From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Lybrand, Cynthia D. Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:43 AM To: ciimplementer at medbiq.org Cc: jbaxter at new-innov.com; Lorisa Porter Subject: [Ciimplementer] Curriculum Inventory Questions Would really appreciate input on: 1. For 3rd or 4th year curriculum offerings, [non clinical in nature = e.g., Career Exploration III] do you report those under courses or clerkships? 2. For the heading: Typical hours / week formal instruction** = I've been asked to clarify whether this includes all instruction or is just didactic hours only. I'm thinking it would be all instructional methods, but couldn't locate a definition within the guides / glossary of terms. Thanks in advance... Cindy Cindy Lybrand, M.Ed. Office of Academic Affairs / Medical Education ETSU Quillen College of Medicine Room C-113 Stanton-Gerber Hall, Bldg. 178 Box 70571, Johnson City, TN 37614-1708 Desk: (423) 439-6756, Cell (423) 647-5827, Fax: (423) 439-8004 Web: http://www.etsu.edu/com/ or Email: lybrand at etsu.edu Note: The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Go Green! Please do not print this e-mail unless it is completely necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thatcher at uchc.edu Mon Sep 28 17:38:50 2015 From: thatcher at uchc.edu (Thatcher,Christine) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 17:38:50 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Curriculum Inventory Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi everyone, Similar question on item 2- We were not going to include clinical teaching but rather only didactics, and I had reasoned this because the column right before it on the report provides the number of weeks. Assuming students are on rotation full-time, I thought it was more useful to see how much time is actually spent on didactics, and not specifically rounding or other patient encounters. It seems the real problem is that we do not have a definition list to accompany these questions. Am I thinking about this all wrong? Christine Thatcher, Ed.D. Associate Dean for Medical Education and Assessment University of Connecticut School of Medicine Room AG-063, MC-1905 263 Farmington Ave. Farmington, CT 06030 860-679-1225 Thatcher at uchc.edu From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Cohen, Sascha Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 12:54 PM To: Lybrand, Cynthia D.; ciimplementer at medbiq.org Cc: jbaxter at new-innov.com; Lorisa Porter Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Curriculum Inventory Questions Cindy, On item 1, if your non-clinical activity is not explicitly part of an integrated/longitudinal clerkship experience, I would suspect you want to report it as course rather than clerkship. Of course, as Terri pointed out at the vendor meeting, a clerkship is a clerkship if you say it is a clerkship.... On item 2, I'd be interested in hearing the interpretation of others, but from where I am standing we take that to mean all methods, exclusive of independent/self-directed learning. Sascha Benjamin Cohen Director, Technology Strategy & Development Technology Enhanced Education UCSF School of Medicine sascha.cohen at ucsf.edu 415.704.4521 vox 415.418.6277 fax https://www.iliosproject.org https://curriculum.ucsf.edu From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Lybrand, Cynthia D. Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:43 AM To: ciimplementer at medbiq.org Cc: jbaxter at new-innov.com; Lorisa Porter Subject: [Ciimplementer] Curriculum Inventory Questions Would really appreciate input on: 1. For 3rd or 4th year curriculum offerings, [non clinical in nature = e.g., Career Exploration III] do you report those under courses or clerkships? 2. For the heading: Typical hours / week formal instruction** = I've been asked to clarify whether this includes all instruction or is just didactic hours only. I'm thinking it would be all instructional methods, but couldn't locate a definition within the guides / glossary of terms. Thanks in advance... Cindy Cindy Lybrand, M.Ed. Office of Academic Affairs / Medical Education ETSU Quillen College of Medicine Room C-113 Stanton-Gerber Hall, Bldg. 178 Box 70571, Johnson City, TN 37614-1708 Desk: (423) 439-6756, Cell (423) 647-5827, Fax: (423) 439-8004 Web: http://www.etsu.edu/com/ or Email: lybrand at etsu.edu Note: The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Go Green! Please do not print this e-mail unless it is completely necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rivest at oakland.edu Mon Sep 28 17:46:48 2015 From: rivest at oakland.edu (Robin Rivest) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 13:46:48 -0400 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Curriculum Inventory Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I include the clinical activities because they have objectives and those objectives are ultimately mapped up to PCRS. If I don't include those clinical experiences than I don't think I am getting an accurate picture of how each competency is supported by our full curriculum. On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Thatcher,Christine wrote: > Hi everyone, > > > > Similar question on item 2- We were not going to include clinical > teaching but rather only didactics, and I had reasoned this because the > column right before it on the report provides the number of weeks. Assuming > students are on rotation full-time, I thought it was more useful to see how > much time is actually spent on didactics, and not specifically rounding or > other patient encounters. It seems the real problem is that we do not have > a definition list to accompany these questions. Am I thinking about this > all wrong? > > > > > > Christine Thatcher, Ed.D. > > Associate Dean for Medical Education and Assessment > > University of Connecticut School of Medicine > > Room AG-063, MC-1905 > > 263 Farmington Ave. > > Farmington, CT 06030 > > 860-679-1225 > > Thatcher at uchc.edu > > > > > > > > *From:* Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] *On > Behalf Of *Cohen, Sascha > *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2015 12:54 PM > *To:* Lybrand, Cynthia D.; ciimplementer at medbiq.org > *Cc:* jbaxter at new-innov.com; Lorisa Porter > *Subject:* Re: [Ciimplementer] Curriculum Inventory Questions > > > > Cindy, > > > > On item 1, if your non-clinical activity is not explicitly part of an > integrated/longitudinal clerkship experience, I would suspect you want to > report it as course rather than clerkship. Of course, as Terri pointed out > at the vendor meeting, a clerkship is a clerkship if you say it is a > clerkship?. > > > > On item 2, I?d be interested in hearing the interpretation of others, but > from where I am standing we take that to mean all methods, exclusive of > independent/self-directed learning. > > > > *Sascha Benjamin Cohen* > > Director, Technology Strategy & Development > > Technology Enhanced Education > > UCSF School of Medicine > > > > sascha.cohen at ucsf.edu > > 415.704.4521 vox > > 415.418.6277 fax > > > > https://www.iliosproject.org > > https://curriculum.ucsf.edu > > > > *From:* Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org > ] *On Behalf Of *Lybrand, Cynthia D. > *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2015 7:43 AM > *To:* ciimplementer at medbiq.org > *Cc:* jbaxter at new-innov.com; Lorisa Porter > *Subject:* [Ciimplementer] Curriculum Inventory Questions > > > > Would really appreciate input on: > > > > 1. For 3rd or 4th year curriculum offerings, [non clinical in nature > = e.g., *Career Exploration III*] do you report those under courses or > clerkships? > > 2. For the heading: *Typical hours / week formal instruction*** = > I?ve been asked to clarify whether this includes all instruction or is just > didactic hours only. I?m thinking it would be all instructional methods, > but couldn?t locate a definition within the guides / glossary of terms. > > > > Thanks in advance? > > Cindy > > > > Cindy Lybrand, M.Ed. > > Office of Academic Affairs / Medical Education > > ETSU Quillen College of Medicine > > Room C-113 Stanton-Gerber Hall, Bldg. 178 > Box 70571, Johnson City, TN 37614-1708 > > Desk: (423) 439-6756, Cell (423) 647-5827, Fax: (423) 439-8004 > > Web: http://www.etsu.edu/com/ or Email: lybrand at etsu.edu > > > > Note: The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or > privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other > use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by > persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If > you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any computer. > > *Go Green! Please do not print this e-mail unless it is completely > necessary.* > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ciimplementer mailing list > Ciimplementer at medbiq.org > http://medbiq.org/mailman/listinfo/ciimplementer_medbiq.org > > -- Regards, Robin Rivest, M.Ed., MBA Director of Curriculum Data Management Oakland University William Beaumont School of Medicine 2200 North Squirrel Road 504 O'Dowd Hall Rochester, MI 48309-4401 phone: (248) 370-4859 rivest at oakland.edu http://www.oakland.edu/medicine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thatcher at uchc.edu Mon Sep 28 18:00:15 2015 From: thatcher at uchc.edu (Thatcher,Christine) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 18:00:15 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Curriculum Inventory Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14581b381fd04635b504c36727c6423c@NSO-ITEXC-MB23.uchc.net> Thank you Robin! That makes sense. From: Robin Rivest [mailto:rivest at oakland.edu] Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 1:47 PM To: Thatcher,Christine Cc: Cohen, Sascha; Lybrand, Cynthia D.; ciimplementer at medbiq.org; jbaxter at new-innov.com; Lorisa Porter Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Curriculum Inventory Questions I include the clinical activities because they have objectives and those objectives are ultimately mapped up to PCRS. If I don't include those clinical experiences than I don't think I am getting an accurate picture of how each competency is supported by our full curriculum. On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Thatcher,Christine > wrote: Hi everyone, Similar question on item 2- We were not going to include clinical teaching but rather only didactics, and I had reasoned this because the column right before it on the report provides the number of weeks. Assuming students are on rotation full-time, I thought it was more useful to see how much time is actually spent on didactics, and not specifically rounding or other patient encounters. It seems the real problem is that we do not have a definition list to accompany these questions. Am I thinking about this all wrong? Christine Thatcher, Ed.D. Associate Dean for Medical Education and Assessment University of Connecticut School of Medicine Room AG-063, MC-1905 263 Farmington Ave. Farmington, CT 06030 860-679-1225 Thatcher at uchc.edu From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Cohen, Sascha Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 12:54 PM To: Lybrand, Cynthia D.; ciimplementer at medbiq.org Cc: jbaxter at new-innov.com; Lorisa Porter Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Curriculum Inventory Questions Cindy, On item 1, if your non-clinical activity is not explicitly part of an integrated/longitudinal clerkship experience, I would suspect you want to report it as course rather than clerkship. Of course, as Terri pointed out at the vendor meeting, a clerkship is a clerkship if you say it is a clerkship?. On item 2, I?d be interested in hearing the interpretation of others, but from where I am standing we take that to mean all methods, exclusive of independent/self-directed learning. Sascha Benjamin Cohen Director, Technology Strategy & Development Technology Enhanced Education UCSF School of Medicine sascha.cohen at ucsf.edu 415.704.4521 vox 415.418.6277 fax https://www.iliosproject.org https://curriculum.ucsf.edu From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Lybrand, Cynthia D. Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:43 AM To: ciimplementer at medbiq.org Cc: jbaxter at new-innov.com; Lorisa Porter Subject: [Ciimplementer] Curriculum Inventory Questions Would really appreciate input on: 1. For 3rd or 4th year curriculum offerings, [non clinical in nature = e.g., Career Exploration III] do you report those under courses or clerkships? 2. For the heading: Typical hours / week formal instruction** = I?ve been asked to clarify whether this includes all instruction or is just didactic hours only. I?m thinking it would be all instructional methods, but couldn?t locate a definition within the guides / glossary of terms. Thanks in advance? 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Please do not print this e-mail unless it is completely necessary. _______________________________________________ Ciimplementer mailing list Ciimplementer at medbiq.org http://medbiq.org/mailman/listinfo/ciimplementer_medbiq.org -- Regards, Robin Rivest, M.Ed., MBA Director of Curriculum Data Management Oakland University William Beaumont School of Medicine 2200 North Squirrel Road 504 O'Dowd Hall Rochester, MI 48309-4401 phone: (248) 370-4859 rivest at oakland.edu http://www.oakland.edu/medicine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Molley.Collins at osumc.edu Tue Sep 29 14:24:37 2015 From: Molley.Collins at osumc.edu (Collins, Molley) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 10:24:37 -0400 Subject: [Ciimplementer] NBME question Message-ID: <55C89D13D3F4994BAB56FB69D4491C631002749F33@EXMBOX-VP05.OSUMC.EDU> For the Verification Report, how are the NBME exams determined for the "Methods of Assessment" table? We have 2 NBME exams on our upload, but only 1 is showing up in that table. Details - the bold one (SB2) IS showing up as an X in the Methods of Assessment table under "NBME Subject Exams"; but SB1 has no X: SB1 Practice NBME AM008 Formative SB2 NBME Exam AM008 Summative Thanks! -- Molley Collins Developer Business Systems 614-366-5996 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tcameron at aamc.org Tue Sep 29 14:29:01 2015 From: tcameron at aamc.org (Terri Cameron) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:29:01 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] NBME question In-Reply-To: <55C89D13D3F4994BAB56FB69D4491C631002749F33@EXMBOX-VP05.OSUMC.EDU> References: <55C89D13D3F4994BAB56FB69D4491C631002749F33@EXMBOX-VP05.OSUMC.EDU> Message-ID: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB027F3D0477@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> Hi, Molley. Formative exams are not counted in the exams column of the Methods of Assessment table but produce an 'x' in the Formative column. Please let me know if I can provide additional information or assistance. Terri From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Collins, Molley Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 10:25 AM To: ciimplementer at medbiq.org Subject: [Ciimplementer] NBME question For the Verification Report, how are the NBME exams determined for the "Methods of Assessment" table? We have 2 NBME exams on our upload, but only 1 is showing up in that table. Details - the bold one (SB2) IS showing up as an X in the Methods of Assessment table under "NBME Subject Exams"; but SB1 has no X: SB1 Practice NBME AM008 Formative SB2 NBME Exam AM008 Summative Thanks! -- Molley Collins Developer Business Systems 614-366-5996 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: