From yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu  Mon Sep  9 21:26:42 2013
From: yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu (Chen, Ye (yc5x))
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:26:42 +0000
Subject: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema
In-Reply-To: <A3BED9ACCAC5444A9ACEE96DE24269FB797B4A45@JHEMTMWEX2.win.ad.jhu.edu>
Message-ID: <CE53B38B.1F309%yc5x@eservices.virginia.edu>

Valerie,

I have run validation for my xml file. If I put <EventDuration>PT2H</EventDuration>, it can get through. However if I put PT120M or PT1H30M, it doesn't work, it generates error like
Message Value PT120M doesn't match regular expression facet 'PT\d(1,3)H' .[xml]

>From your previous email,  I understand we can either put PT2H or PT120M, it seems it still only allows PT2H, could you check which schema file define it, maybe it has not been corrected.

Thanks
Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:29 PM
To: Ye Chen <yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu<mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu>>, "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>, "curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>" <curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>>
Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Ye, I asked Terri to confirm with the AAMC development team, and here is how they responded.

Hi Valerie,

Terri asked us to confirm that event duration minutes may exceed 60.  The development team discussed this during our check-in today.

Entered as an integer, any number of minutes or hours should be valid.  Ultimately the provided # of minutes are converted into hours and totaled with the provided # of hours.  For example PT5H486M = 13.1 hours.

That means event durations could be provided using only minutes if senders so desired.  CI will convert it to hours for storage and reporting purposes.

Have a good weekend,
-Phil

So yes, you can enter 90 minutes as either PT1H30M or PT90M.

Best,
Valerie

From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:25 PM
To: Valerie Smothers; ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>; curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

So if the event duration is 90 minutes we can do either way  PT1H30M or PT90M , correct?

Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:09 AM
To: "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>, "curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>" <curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>>
Subject: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Dear Curriculum Inventory Working group and Implementers,

The AAMC development team noted a small problem with the curriculum inventory schema. The schema would force you to indicate the number of hours for an event. So a ninety minute event might be represented as 0 hours and 90 minutes. That was not exactly what the specification document indicated should work, so we have edited the schema to be more flexible and allow an even duration to be hours only, minutes only, or some combination of hours and minutes.

The revised schema is attached. It has also been uploaded to the MedBiquitous website at: http://ns.medbiq.org/curriculuminventory/v1/curriculuminventory.xsd

This should not require anyone to change what they are doing. If you have any questions or comments, please reply all so that we may discuss as a group. Thank you!

Best,
Valerie

Valerie Smothers
Deputy Director
MedBiquitous
vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>
+1-410-735-6142
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From vsmothers at jhmi.edu  Tue Sep 10 11:46:41 2013
From: vsmothers at jhmi.edu (Valerie Smothers)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 11:46:41 +0000
Subject: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema
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References: <A3BED9ACCAC5444A9ACEE96DE24269FB797B4A45@JHEMTMWEX2.win.ad.jhu.edu>
	<CE53B38B.1F309%yc5x@eservices.virginia.edu>
Message-ID: <A3BED9ACCAC5444A9ACEE96DE24269FB797DCEFD@JHEMTMWEX2.win.ad.jhu.edu>

Hi, Ye. The schema with the corrections is dated July 2, 2013. It's posted to http://ns.medbiq.org/curriculuminventory/v1/curriculuminventory.xsd. I just tested it out, and it seems to be working fine. Both PT120M and PT1H30M worked fine. Can you check which version of the schema file you are using? There is a date indicated in comments right below the import statements and copyright.

Thanks, Ye!

Best,
Valerie

From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:27 PM
To: Valerie Smothers; ciimplementer at medbiq.org; curriculuminventory at medbiq.org
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Valerie,

I have run validation for my xml file. If I put <EventDuration>PT2H</EventDuration>, it can get through. However if I put PT120M or PT1H30M, it doesn't work, it generates error like
Message Value PT120M doesn't match regular expression facet 'PT\d(1,3)H' .[xml]

>From your previous email,  I understand we can either put PT2H or PT120M, it seems it still only allows PT2H, could you check which schema file define it, maybe it has not been corrected.

Thanks
Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:29 PM
To: Ye Chen <yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu<mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu>>, "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>, "curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>" <curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>>
Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Ye, I asked Terri to confirm with the AAMC development team, and here is how they responded.

Hi Valerie,

Terri asked us to confirm that event duration minutes may exceed 60.  The development team discussed this during our check-in today.

Entered as an integer, any number of minutes or hours should be valid.  Ultimately the provided # of minutes are converted into hours and totaled with the provided # of hours.  For example PT5H486M = 13.1 hours.

That means event durations could be provided using only minutes if senders so desired.  CI will convert it to hours for storage and reporting purposes.

Have a good weekend,
-Phil

So yes, you can enter 90 minutes as either PT1H30M or PT90M.

Best,
Valerie

From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:25 PM
To: Valerie Smothers; ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>; curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

So if the event duration is 90 minutes we can do either way  PT1H30M or PT90M , correct?

Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:09 AM
To: "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>, "curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>" <curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>>
Subject: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Dear Curriculum Inventory Working group and Implementers,

The AAMC development team noted a small problem with the curriculum inventory schema. The schema would force you to indicate the number of hours for an event. So a ninety minute event might be represented as 0 hours and 90 minutes. That was not exactly what the specification document indicated should work, so we have edited the schema to be more flexible and allow an even duration to be hours only, minutes only, or some combination of hours and minutes.

The revised schema is attached. It has also been uploaded to the MedBiquitous website at: http://ns.medbiq.org/curriculuminventory/v1/curriculuminventory.xsd

This should not require anyone to change what they are doing. If you have any questions or comments, please reply all so that we may discuss as a group. Thank you!

Best,
Valerie

Valerie Smothers
Deputy Director
MedBiquitous
vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>
+1-410-735-6142
www.medbiq.org<http://www.medbiq.org/>
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From yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu  Tue Sep 10 16:10:58 2013
From: yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu (Chen, Ye (yc5x))
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 16:10:58 +0000
Subject: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema
In-Reply-To: <A3BED9ACCAC5444A9ACEE96DE24269FB797DCEFD@JHEMTMWEX2.win.ad.jhu.edu>
Message-ID: <CE54BBDD.1F3CE%yc5x@eservices.virginia.edu>

You are right. I downloaded your curriculuminventory implementation toolkit.zip very recently (sometime September), I thought it should have all updated files. I checked the file curriculuminventory.xsd, it is dated June 26
So instead of using local xsd file, I updated my xml file, using url for this file http://ns.medbiq.org/curriculuminventory/v1/curriculuminventory.xsd, it works.

Thanks
Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:46 AM
To: Ye Chen <yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu<mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu>>, "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>, "curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>" <curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>>
Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Hi, Ye. The schema with the corrections is dated July 2, 2013. It?s posted to http://ns.medbiq.org/curriculuminventory/v1/curriculuminventory.xsd. I just tested it out, and it seems to be working fine. Both PT120M and PT1H30M worked fine. Can you check which version of the schema file you are using? There is a date indicated in comments right below the import statements and copyright.

Thanks, Ye!

Best,
Valerie

From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:27 PM
To: Valerie Smothers; ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>; curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Valerie,

I have run validation for my xml file. If I put <EventDuration>PT2H</EventDuration>, it can get through. However if I put PT120M or PT1H30M, it doesn't work, it generates error like
Message Value PT120M doesn't match regular expression facet 'PT\d(1,3)H' .[xml]

>From your previous email,  I understand we can either put PT2H or PT120M, it seems it still only allows PT2H, could you check which schema file define it, maybe it has not been corrected.

Thanks
Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:29 PM
To: Ye Chen <yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu<mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu>>, "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>, "curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>" <curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>>
Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Ye, I asked Terri to confirm with the AAMC development team, and here is how they responded.

Hi Valerie,

Terri asked us to confirm that event duration minutes may exceed 60.  The development team discussed this during our check-in today.

Entered as an integer, any number of minutes or hours should be valid.  Ultimately the provided # of minutes are converted into hours and totaled with the provided # of hours.  For example PT5H486M = 13.1 hours.

That means event durations could be provided using only minutes if senders so desired.  CI will convert it to hours for storage and reporting purposes.

Have a good weekend,
-Phil

So yes, you can enter 90 minutes as either PT1H30M or PT90M.

Best,
Valerie

From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:25 PM
To: Valerie Smothers; ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>; curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

So if the event duration is 90 minutes we can do either way  PT1H30M or PT90M , correct?

Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:09 AM
To: "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>, "curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>" <curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>>
Subject: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Dear Curriculum Inventory Working group and Implementers,

The AAMC development team noted a small problem with the curriculum inventory schema. The schema would force you to indicate the number of hours for an event. So a ninety minute event might be represented as 0 hours and 90 minutes. That was not exactly what the specification document indicated should work, so we have edited the schema to be more flexible and allow an even duration to be hours only, minutes only, or some combination of hours and minutes.

The revised schema is attached. It has also been uploaded to the MedBiquitous website at: http://ns.medbiq.org/curriculuminventory/v1/curriculuminventory.xsd

This should not require anyone to change what they are doing. If you have any questions or comments, please reply all so that we may discuss as a group. Thank you!

Best,
Valerie

Valerie Smothers
Deputy Director
MedBiquitous
vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>
+1-410-735-6142
www.medbiq.org<http://www.medbiq.org/>
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From vsmothers at jhmi.edu  Tue Sep 10 16:29:54 2013
From: vsmothers at jhmi.edu (Valerie Smothers)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 16:29:54 +0000
Subject: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema
In-Reply-To: <CE54BBDD.1F3CE%yc5x@eservices.virginia.edu>
References: <A3BED9ACCAC5444A9ACEE96DE24269FB797DCEFD@JHEMTMWEX2.win.ad.jhu.edu>
	<CE54BBDD.1F3CE%yc5x@eservices.virginia.edu>
Message-ID: <A3BED9ACCAC5444A9ACEE96DE24269FB797DD530@JHEMTMWEX2.win.ad.jhu.edu>

Ye, many thanks for bringing that to my attention. I've now updated the implementation toolkit on the website. My apologies for the oversight!

Best,
Valerie

From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:11 PM
To: Valerie Smothers; ciimplementer at medbiq.org; curriculuminventory at medbiq.org
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

You are right. I downloaded your curriculuminventory implementation toolkit.zip very recently (sometime September), I thought it should have all updated files. I checked the file curriculuminventory.xsd, it is dated June 26
So instead of using local xsd file, I updated my xml file, using url for this file http://ns.medbiq.org/curriculuminventory/v1/curriculuminventory.xsd, it works.

Thanks
Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:46 AM
To: Ye Chen <yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu<mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu>>, "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>, "curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>" <curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>>
Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Hi, Ye. The schema with the corrections is dated July 2, 2013. It's posted to http://ns.medbiq.org/curriculuminventory/v1/curriculuminventory.xsd. I just tested it out, and it seems to be working fine. Both PT120M and PT1H30M worked fine. Can you check which version of the schema file you are using? There is a date indicated in comments right below the import statements and copyright.

Thanks, Ye!

Best,
Valerie

From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:27 PM
To: Valerie Smothers; ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>; curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Valerie,

I have run validation for my xml file. If I put <EventDuration>PT2H</EventDuration>, it can get through. However if I put PT120M or PT1H30M, it doesn't work, it generates error like
Message Value PT120M doesn't match regular expression facet 'PT\d(1,3)H' .[xml]

>From your previous email,  I understand we can either put PT2H or PT120M, it seems it still only allows PT2H, could you check which schema file define it, maybe it has not been corrected.

Thanks
Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:29 PM
To: Ye Chen <yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu<mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu>>, "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>, "curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>" <curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>>
Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Ye, I asked Terri to confirm with the AAMC development team, and here is how they responded.

Hi Valerie,

Terri asked us to confirm that event duration minutes may exceed 60.  The development team discussed this during our check-in today.

Entered as an integer, any number of minutes or hours should be valid.  Ultimately the provided # of minutes are converted into hours and totaled with the provided # of hours.  For example PT5H486M = 13.1 hours.

That means event durations could be provided using only minutes if senders so desired.  CI will convert it to hours for storage and reporting purposes.

Have a good weekend,
-Phil

So yes, you can enter 90 minutes as either PT1H30M or PT90M.

Best,
Valerie

From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:25 PM
To: Valerie Smothers; ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>; curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

So if the event duration is 90 minutes we can do either way  PT1H30M or PT90M , correct?

Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:09 AM
To: "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>, "curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>" <curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>>
Subject: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Dear Curriculum Inventory Working group and Implementers,

The AAMC development team noted a small problem with the curriculum inventory schema. The schema would force you to indicate the number of hours for an event. So a ninety minute event might be represented as 0 hours and 90 minutes. That was not exactly what the specification document indicated should work, so we have edited the schema to be more flexible and allow an even duration to be hours only, minutes only, or some combination of hours and minutes.

The revised schema is attached. It has also been uploaded to the MedBiquitous website at: http://ns.medbiq.org/curriculuminventory/v1/curriculuminventory.xsd

This should not require anyone to change what they are doing. If you have any questions or comments, please reply all so that we may discuss as a group. Thank you!

Best,
Valerie

Valerie Smothers
Deputy Director
MedBiquitous
vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>
+1-410-735-6142
www.medbiq.org<http://www.medbiq.org/>
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From yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu  Fri Sep 13 20:01:59 2013
From: yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu (Chen, Ye (yc5x))
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 20:01:59 +0000
Subject: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema
In-Reply-To: <A3BED9ACCAC5444A9ACEE96DE24269FB797DD530@JHEMTMWEX2.win.ad.jhu.edu>
Message-ID: <CE58E678.1F871%yc5x@eservices.virginia.edu>

Valerie:

I found another issue. In event part, you can refer competency  something will be like
<CompetencyObjectReference>/CurriculumInventory/Expectations/CompetencyObject[lom:lom/lom:general/lom:identifier/lom:entry='zxcvb123']</CompetencyObjectReference>

I understand the Competency Object Referred here must be listed inside <Expectations><CompetencyObject>?.</CompetencyObject>. Then even or block can refer to it, otherwise, it should generate error, correct?

But it doesn't work that way. I have CompetencyObjectReference, but did not put CompetencyObject in the expectations part, when I validate the xml file, no error, is that supposed to be?


Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:29 PM
To: Ye Chen <yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu<mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu>>, "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>, "curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>" <curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>>
Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Ye, many thanks for bringing that to my attention. I?ve now updated the implementation toolkit on the website. My apologies for the oversight!

Best,
Valerie

From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:11 PM
To: Valerie Smothers; ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>; curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

You are right. I downloaded your curriculuminventory implementation toolkit.zip very recently (sometime September), I thought it should have all updated files. I checked the file curriculuminventory.xsd, it is dated June 26
So instead of using local xsd file, I updated my xml file, using url for this file http://ns.medbiq.org/curriculuminventory/v1/curriculuminventory.xsd, it works.

Thanks
Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:46 AM
To: Ye Chen <yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu<mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu>>, "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>, "curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>" <curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>>
Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Hi, Ye. The schema with the corrections is dated July 2, 2013. It?s posted to http://ns.medbiq.org/curriculuminventory/v1/curriculuminventory.xsd. I just tested it out, and it seems to be working fine. Both PT120M and PT1H30M worked fine. Can you check which version of the schema file you are using? There is a date indicated in comments right below the import statements and copyright.

Thanks, Ye!

Best,
Valerie

From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:27 PM
To: Valerie Smothers; ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>; curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Valerie,

I have run validation for my xml file. If I put <EventDuration>PT2H</EventDuration>, it can get through. However if I put PT120M or PT1H30M, it doesn't work, it generates error like
Message Value PT120M doesn't match regular expression facet 'PT\d(1,3)H' .[xml]

>From your previous email,  I understand we can either put PT2H or PT120M, it seems it still only allows PT2H, could you check which schema file define it, maybe it has not been corrected.

Thanks
Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:29 PM
To: Ye Chen <yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu<mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu>>, "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>, "curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>" <curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>>
Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Ye, I asked Terri to confirm with the AAMC development team, and here is how they responded.

Hi Valerie,

Terri asked us to confirm that event duration minutes may exceed 60.  The development team discussed this during our check-in today.

Entered as an integer, any number of minutes or hours should be valid.  Ultimately the provided # of minutes are converted into hours and totaled with the provided # of hours.  For example PT5H486M = 13.1 hours.

That means event durations could be provided using only minutes if senders so desired.  CI will convert it to hours for storage and reporting purposes.

Have a good weekend,
-Phil

So yes, you can enter 90 minutes as either PT1H30M or PT90M.

Best,
Valerie

From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:25 PM
To: Valerie Smothers; ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>; curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

So if the event duration is 90 minutes we can do either way  PT1H30M or PT90M , correct?

Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:09 AM
To: "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>, "curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>" <curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>>
Subject: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Dear Curriculum Inventory Working group and Implementers,

The AAMC development team noted a small problem with the curriculum inventory schema. The schema would force you to indicate the number of hours for an event. So a ninety minute event might be represented as 0 hours and 90 minutes. That was not exactly what the specification document indicated should work, so we have edited the schema to be more flexible and allow an even duration to be hours only, minutes only, or some combination of hours and minutes.

The revised schema is attached. It has also been uploaded to the MedBiquitous website at: http://ns.medbiq.org/curriculuminventory/v1/curriculuminventory.xsd

This should not require anyone to change what they are doing. If you have any questions or comments, please reply all so that we may discuss as a group. Thank you!

Best,
Valerie

Valerie Smothers
Deputy Director
MedBiquitous
vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>
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From vsmothers at jhmi.edu  Mon Sep 16 11:21:25 2013
From: vsmothers at jhmi.edu (Valerie Smothers)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 11:21:25 +0000
Subject: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema
In-Reply-To: <CE58E678.1F871%yc5x@eservices.virginia.edu>
References: <A3BED9ACCAC5444A9ACEE96DE24269FB797DD530@JHEMTMWEX2.win.ad.jhu.edu>
	<CE58E678.1F871%yc5x@eservices.virginia.edu>
Message-ID: <A3BED9ACCAC5444A9ACEE96DE24269FB797E1D6A@JHEMTMWEX2.win.ad.jhu.edu>

The XML validation cannot check for every requirement, and this is one that is beyond the means of XML schema to validate. That said, the AAMC's system likely would check to verify that the competency object referenced does exist. So the AAMC system would be the one giving you the error, not an XML schema validation tool.

Best,
Valerie

From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu]
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:02 PM
To: Valerie Smothers; ciimplementer at medbiq.org; curriculuminventory at medbiq.org
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Valerie:

I found another issue. In event part, you can refer competency  something will be like
<CompetencyObjectReference>/CurriculumInventory/Expectations/CompetencyObject[lom:lom/lom:general/lom:identifier/lom:entry='zxcvb123']</CompetencyObjectReference>

I understand the Competency Object Referred here must be listed inside <Expectations><CompetencyObject>....</CompetencyObject>. Then even or block can refer to it, otherwise, it should generate error, correct?

But it doesn't work that way. I have CompetencyObjectReference, but did not put CompetencyObject in the expectations part, when I validate the xml file, no error, is that supposed to be?


Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:29 PM
To: Ye Chen <yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu<mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu>>, "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>, "curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>" <curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>>
Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Ye, many thanks for bringing that to my attention. I've now updated the implementation toolkit on the website. My apologies for the oversight!

Best,
Valerie

From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:11 PM
To: Valerie Smothers; ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>; curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

You are right. I downloaded your curriculuminventory implementation toolkit.zip very recently (sometime September), I thought it should have all updated files. I checked the file curriculuminventory.xsd, it is dated June 26
So instead of using local xsd file, I updated my xml file, using url for this file http://ns.medbiq.org/curriculuminventory/v1/curriculuminventory.xsd, it works.

Thanks
Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:46 AM
To: Ye Chen <yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu<mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu>>, "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>, "curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>" <curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>>
Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Hi, Ye. The schema with the corrections is dated July 2, 2013. It's posted to http://ns.medbiq.org/curriculuminventory/v1/curriculuminventory.xsd. I just tested it out, and it seems to be working fine. Both PT120M and PT1H30M worked fine. Can you check which version of the schema file you are using? There is a date indicated in comments right below the import statements and copyright.

Thanks, Ye!

Best,
Valerie

From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:27 PM
To: Valerie Smothers; ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>; curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Valerie,

I have run validation for my xml file. If I put <EventDuration>PT2H</EventDuration>, it can get through. However if I put PT120M or PT1H30M, it doesn't work, it generates error like
Message Value PT120M doesn't match regular expression facet 'PT\d(1,3)H' .[xml]

>From your previous email,  I understand we can either put PT2H or PT120M, it seems it still only allows PT2H, could you check which schema file define it, maybe it has not been corrected.

Thanks
Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:29 PM
To: Ye Chen <yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu<mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu>>, "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>, "curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>" <curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>>
Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Ye, I asked Terri to confirm with the AAMC development team, and here is how they responded.

Hi Valerie,

Terri asked us to confirm that event duration minutes may exceed 60.  The development team discussed this during our check-in today.

Entered as an integer, any number of minutes or hours should be valid.  Ultimately the provided # of minutes are converted into hours and totaled with the provided # of hours.  For example PT5H486M = 13.1 hours.

That means event durations could be provided using only minutes if senders so desired.  CI will convert it to hours for storage and reporting purposes.

Have a good weekend,
-Phil

So yes, you can enter 90 minutes as either PT1H30M or PT90M.

Best,
Valerie

From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:25 PM
To: Valerie Smothers; ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>; curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

So if the event duration is 90 minutes we can do either way  PT1H30M or PT90M , correct?

Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:09 AM
To: "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>, "curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>" <curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>>
Subject: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Dear Curriculum Inventory Working group and Implementers,

The AAMC development team noted a small problem with the curriculum inventory schema. The schema would force you to indicate the number of hours for an event. So a ninety minute event might be represented as 0 hours and 90 minutes. That was not exactly what the specification document indicated should work, so we have edited the schema to be more flexible and allow an even duration to be hours only, minutes only, or some combination of hours and minutes.

The revised schema is attached. It has also been uploaded to the MedBiquitous website at: http://ns.medbiq.org/curriculuminventory/v1/curriculuminventory.xsd

This should not require anyone to change what they are doing. If you have any questions or comments, please reply all so that we may discuss as a group. Thank you!

Best,
Valerie

Valerie Smothers
Deputy Director
MedBiquitous
vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>
+1-410-735-6142
www.medbiq.org<http://www.medbiq.org/>
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From yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu  Mon Sep 16 15:05:10 2013
From: yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu (Chen, Ye (yc5x))
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:05:10 +0000
Subject: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema
In-Reply-To: <A3BED9ACCAC5444A9ACEE96DE24269FB797E1D6A@JHEMTMWEX2.win.ad.jhu.edu>
Message-ID: <CE5C961C.1F92E%yc5x@eservices.virginia.edu>

Got it. That is what I want to know. Make sure which part is schema validation which part is for AAMC's system business rules checking.


Thanks
Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Monday, September 16, 2013 7:21 AM
To: Ye Chen <yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu<mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu>>, "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>, "curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>" <curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>>
Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

The XML validation cannot check for every requirement, and this is one that is beyond the means of XML schema to validate. That said, the AAMC?s system likely would check to verify that the competency object referenced does exist. So the AAMC system would be the one giving you the error, not an XML schema validation tool.

Best,
Valerie

From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu]
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:02 PM
To: Valerie Smothers; ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>; curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Valerie:

I found another issue. In event part, you can refer competency  something will be like
<CompetencyObjectReference>/CurriculumInventory/Expectations/CompetencyObject[lom:lom/lom:general/lom:identifier/lom:entry='zxcvb123']</CompetencyObjectReference>

I understand the Competency Object Referred here must be listed inside <Expectations><CompetencyObject>?.</CompetencyObject>. Then even or block can refer to it, otherwise, it should generate error, correct?

But it doesn't work that way. I have CompetencyObjectReference, but did not put CompetencyObject in the expectations part, when I validate the xml file, no error, is that supposed to be?


Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:29 PM
To: Ye Chen <yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu<mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu>>, "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>, "curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>" <curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>>
Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Ye, many thanks for bringing that to my attention. I?ve now updated the implementation toolkit on the website. My apologies for the oversight!

Best,
Valerie

From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:11 PM
To: Valerie Smothers; ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>; curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

You are right. I downloaded your curriculuminventory implementation toolkit.zip very recently (sometime September), I thought it should have all updated files. I checked the file curriculuminventory.xsd, it is dated June 26
So instead of using local xsd file, I updated my xml file, using url for this file http://ns.medbiq.org/curriculuminventory/v1/curriculuminventory.xsd, it works.

Thanks
Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:46 AM
To: Ye Chen <yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu<mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu>>, "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>, "curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>" <curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>>
Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Hi, Ye. The schema with the corrections is dated July 2, 2013. It?s posted to http://ns.medbiq.org/curriculuminventory/v1/curriculuminventory.xsd. I just tested it out, and it seems to be working fine. Both PT120M and PT1H30M worked fine. Can you check which version of the schema file you are using? There is a date indicated in comments right below the import statements and copyright.

Thanks, Ye!

Best,
Valerie

From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:27 PM
To: Valerie Smothers; ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>; curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Valerie,

I have run validation for my xml file. If I put <EventDuration>PT2H</EventDuration>, it can get through. However if I put PT120M or PT1H30M, it doesn't work, it generates error like
Message Value PT120M doesn't match regular expression facet 'PT\d(1,3)H' .[xml]

>From your previous email,  I understand we can either put PT2H or PT120M, it seems it still only allows PT2H, could you check which schema file define it, maybe it has not been corrected.

Thanks
Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:29 PM
To: Ye Chen <yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu<mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu>>, "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>, "curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>" <curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>>
Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Ye, I asked Terri to confirm with the AAMC development team, and here is how they responded.

Hi Valerie,

Terri asked us to confirm that event duration minutes may exceed 60.  The development team discussed this during our check-in today.

Entered as an integer, any number of minutes or hours should be valid.  Ultimately the provided # of minutes are converted into hours and totaled with the provided # of hours.  For example PT5H486M = 13.1 hours.

That means event durations could be provided using only minutes if senders so desired.  CI will convert it to hours for storage and reporting purposes.

Have a good weekend,
-Phil

So yes, you can enter 90 minutes as either PT1H30M or PT90M.

Best,
Valerie

From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:25 PM
To: Valerie Smothers; ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>; curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

So if the event duration is 90 minutes we can do either way  PT1H30M or PT90M , correct?

Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:09 AM
To: "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>, "curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>" <curriculuminventory at medbiq.org<mailto:curriculuminventory at medbiq.org>>
Subject: [Ciimplementer] tweak to the schema

Dear Curriculum Inventory Working group and Implementers,

The AAMC development team noted a small problem with the curriculum inventory schema. The schema would force you to indicate the number of hours for an event. So a ninety minute event might be represented as 0 hours and 90 minutes. That was not exactly what the specification document indicated should work, so we have edited the schema to be more flexible and allow an even duration to be hours only, minutes only, or some combination of hours and minutes.

The revised schema is attached. It has also been uploaded to the MedBiquitous website at: http://ns.medbiq.org/curriculuminventory/v1/curriculuminventory.xsd

This should not require anyone to change what they are doing. If you have any questions or comments, please reply all so that we may discuss as a group. Thank you!

Best,
Valerie

Valerie Smothers
Deputy Director
MedBiquitous
vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>
+1-410-735-6142
www.medbiq.org<http://www.medbiq.org/>
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From vsmothers at jhmi.edu  Tue Sep 17 18:30:58 2013
From: vsmothers at jhmi.edu (Valerie Smothers)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:30:58 +0000
Subject: [Ciimplementer] error in spec example
Message-ID: <A3BED9ACCAC5444A9ACEE96DE24269FB797E373F@JHEMTMWEX2.win.ad.jhu.edu>

Hi, everyone. I just wanted to let you know there is an error in the sample XML in the Curriculum Inventory spec. The Keyword element of Event uses a lom datatype. Here is how Event Keyword should look:


                                    <Keyword hx:source="MeSH" hx:id="D010817">
                                                <lom:string>Physician-Patient Relations</lom:string>
                                    </Keyword>

The example in the spec incorrectly gives hx as the prefix for the string element. My apologies for the mistake! Please lt me know if you have any questions.

Best,
Valerie

Valerie Smothers
Deputy Director
MedBiquitous
vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>
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From yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu  Tue Sep 17 18:38:52 2013
From: yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu (Chen, Ye (yc5x))
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:38:52 +0000
Subject: [Ciimplementer] error in spec example
In-Reply-To: <A3BED9ACCAC5444A9ACEE96DE24269FB797E373F@JHEMTMWEX2.win.ad.jhu.edu>
Message-ID: <CE5E191B.1FBE2%yc5x@eservices.virginia.edu>

Valerie
If use hx, it will cause an error or not?   Because we are using our own keywords, in the XML file, it looks like
 <Keyword hx:source='uva' hx:id='1'><hx:string>Patient Care</hx:string></Keyword>

It doesn't give me error when validating. Just want to double check, I will change it from hx to lom

Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:30 PM
To: "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>
Subject: [Ciimplementer] error in spec example

Hi, everyone. I just wanted to let you know there is an error in the sample XML in the Curriculum Inventory spec. The Keyword element of Event uses a lom datatype. Here is how Event Keyword should look:


                                    <Keyword hx:source="MeSH" hx:id="D010817">
                                                <lom:string>Physician-Patient Relations</lom:string>
                                    </Keyword>

The example in the spec incorrectly gives hx as the prefix for the string element. My apologies for the mistake! Please lt me know if you have any questions.

Best,
Valerie

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From vsmothers at jhmi.edu  Tue Sep 17 18:49:16 2013
From: vsmothers at jhmi.edu (Valerie Smothers)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:49:16 +0000
Subject: [Ciimplementer] error in spec example
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Yes, it didn't give me an error either, which is curious. But the string element is in the lom namespace, not in the hx (healthcare lom) namespace. In other words, it's not something we added. It is native to lom, and the prefixes should convey that.

Sorry! I hope it is an easy fix. Many thanks to one45 for catching this error.

Valerie

From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:39 PM
To: Valerie Smothers; ciimplementer at medbiq.org
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] error in spec example

Valerie
If use hx, it will cause an error or not?   Because we are using our own keywords, in the XML file, it looks like
 <Keyword hx:source='uva' hx:id='1'><hx:string>Patient Care</hx:string></Keyword>

It doesn't give me error when validating. Just want to double check, I will change it from hx to lom

Ye

From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:30 PM
To: "ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org<mailto:ciimplementer at medbiq.org>>
Subject: [Ciimplementer] error in spec example

Hi, everyone. I just wanted to let you know there is an error in the sample XML in the Curriculum Inventory spec. The Keyword element of Event uses a lom datatype. Here is how Event Keyword should look:


                                    <Keyword hx:source="MeSH" hx:id="D010817">
                                                <lom:string>Physician-Patient Relations</lom:string>
                                    </Keyword>

The example in the spec incorrectly gives hx as the prefix for the string element. My apologies for the mistake! Please lt me know if you have any questions.

Best,
Valerie

Valerie Smothers
Deputy Director
MedBiquitous
vsmothers at jhmi.edu<mailto:vsmothers at jhmi.edu>
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From paul at schillingconsulting.com  Tue Sep 17 18:58:13 2013
From: paul at schillingconsulting.com (Paul Schilling)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:58:13 -0500
Subject: [Ciimplementer] error in spec example
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Weren't keywords supposed to only be linked to a defined list like MeSH?  Custom keywords weren't going to be accepted.  Or am I remembering that wrong.



On Sep 17, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Valerie Smothers wrote:

> Yes, it didn?t give me an error either, which is curious. But the string element is in the lom namespace, not in the hx (healthcare lom) namespace. In other words, it?s not something we added. It is native to lom, and the prefixes should convey that.
>  
> Sorry! I hope it is an easy fix. Many thanks to one45 for catching this error.
>  
> Valerie
>  
> From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:39 PM
> To: Valerie Smothers; ciimplementer at medbiq.org
> Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] error in spec example
>  
> Valerie
> If use hx, it will cause an error or not?   Because we are using our own keywords, in the XML file, it looks like
>  <Keyword hx:source='uva' hx:id='1'><hx:string>Patient Care</hx:string></Keyword>
>  
> It doesn't give me error when validating. Just want to double check, I will change it from hx to lom
>  
> Ye
>  
> From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu>
> Date: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:30 PM
> To: "ciimplementer at medbiq.org" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org>
> Subject: [Ciimplementer] error in spec example
>  
> Hi, everyone. I just wanted to let you know there is an error in the sample XML in the Curriculum Inventory spec. The Keyword element of Event uses a lom datatype. Here is how Event Keyword should look:
>  
>  
>                                     <Keyword hx:source="MeSH" hx:id="D010817">
>                                                 <lom:string>Physician-Patient Relations</lom:string>
>                                     </Keyword>
>  
> The example in the spec incorrectly gives hx as the prefix for the string element. My apologies for the mistake! Please lt me know if you have any questions.
>  
> Best,
> Valerie
>  
> Valerie Smothers
> Deputy Director
> MedBiquitous
> vsmothers at jhmi.edu
> +1-410-735-6142
> www.medbiq.org
>  
> MedBiquitous Annual Conference, May 19-20, 2014
> Save the Date!
> Sign up for our newsletter
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From vsmothers at jhmi.edu  Tue Sep 17 19:01:11 2013
From: vsmothers at jhmi.edu (Valerie Smothers)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:01:11 +0000
Subject: [Ciimplementer] error in spec example
In-Reply-To: <722FED3D-B55C-4A75-941A-7F786CF2D96F@schillingconsulting.com>
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There is nothing in the spec prohibiting the use of custom keywords. But the spec does support the use of MeSH terms and terms from other medical vocabularies (like SNOMED). 

Best,
Valerie

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Schilling [mailto:paul at schillingconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:58 PM
To: Valerie Smothers
Cc: Chen, Ye (yc5x); ciimplementer at medbiq.org
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] error in spec example

Weren't keywords supposed to only be linked to a defined list like MeSH?  Custom keywords weren't going to be accepted.  Or am I remembering that wrong.



On Sep 17, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Valerie Smothers wrote:

> Yes, it didn't give me an error either, which is curious. But the string element is in the lom namespace, not in the hx (healthcare lom) namespace. In other words, it's not something we added. It is native to lom, and the prefixes should convey that.
>  
> Sorry! I hope it is an easy fix. Many thanks to one45 for catching this error.
>  
> Valerie
>  
> From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:39 PM
> To: Valerie Smothers; ciimplementer at medbiq.org
> Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] error in spec example
>  
> Valerie
> If use hx, it will cause an error or not?   Because we are using our own keywords, in the XML file, it looks like
>  <Keyword hx:source='uva' hx:id='1'><hx:string>Patient 
> Care</hx:string></Keyword>
>  
> It doesn't give me error when validating. Just want to double check, I 
> will change it from hx to lom
>  
> Ye
>  
> From: Valerie Smothers <vsmothers at jhmi.edu>
> Date: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:30 PM
> To: "ciimplementer at medbiq.org" <ciimplementer at medbiq.org>
> Subject: [Ciimplementer] error in spec example
>  
> Hi, everyone. I just wanted to let you know there is an error in the sample XML in the Curriculum Inventory spec. The Keyword element of Event uses a lom datatype. Here is how Event Keyword should look:
>  
>  
>                                     <Keyword hx:source="MeSH" hx:id="D010817">
>                                                 <lom:string>Physician-Patient Relations</lom:string>
>                                     </Keyword>
>  
> The example in the spec incorrectly gives hx as the prefix for the string element. My apologies for the mistake! Please lt me know if you have any questions.
>  
> Best,
> Valerie
>  
> Valerie Smothers
> Deputy Director
> MedBiquitous
> vsmothers at jhmi.edu
> +1-410-735-6142
> www.medbiq.org
>  
> MedBiquitous Annual Conference, May 19-20, 2014 Save the Date!
> Sign up for our newsletter
> Follow us on Twitter!
>  
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Fax: 1.888.696.8405






From paul at schillingconsulting.com  Tue Sep 17 19:09:48 2013
From: paul at schillingconsulting.com (Paul Schilling)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:09:48 -0500
Subject: [Ciimplementer] error in spec example
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On Sep 17, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Valerie Smothers wrote:

> There is nothing in the spec prohibiting the use of custom keywords. But the spec does support the use of MeSH terms and terms from other medical vocabularies (like SNOMED). 

I thought Terri said they only wanted keywords from MeSH or other defined keyword sets.  Maybe it was they were only going to do extra indexing or something on those.  
--
Paul Schilling
Schilling Consulting LLC
paul at schillingconsulting.com
Phone: 1.608.628.6313
Fax: 1.888.696.8405






From yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu  Tue Sep 17 19:13:16 2013
From: yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu (Chen, Ye (yc5x))
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:13:16 +0000
Subject: [Ciimplementer] error in spec example
In-Reply-To: <7C6ED557-10C4-481D-8633-C88EE7C39105@schillingconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CE5E217E.1FC0A%yc5x@eservices.virginia.edu>

I have asked about the same keywords questions long time ago, from the
answer I got, it seems you can use your own keywords, that is why we put
source is uva, id is the keyword id from our system.

That is not something schema validating will check on that. But maybe
Terri can provide clear answer whether we can use our own local defined
keywords.


Ye

On 9/17/13 3:09 PM, "Paul Schilling" <paul at schillingconsulting.com> wrote:

>On Sep 17, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Valerie Smothers wrote:
>
>> There is nothing in the spec prohibiting the use of custom keywords.
>>But the spec does support the use of MeSH terms and terms from other
>>medical vocabularies (like SNOMED).
>
>I thought Terri said they only wanted keywords from MeSH or other defined
>keyword sets.  Maybe it was they were only going to do extra indexing or
>something on those.
>--
>Paul Schilling
>Schilling Consulting LLC
>paul at schillingconsulting.com
>Phone: 1.608.628.6313
>Fax: 1.888.696.8405
>
>
>




From Sascha.Cohen at ucsf.edu  Tue Sep 17 19:17:00 2013
From: Sascha.Cohen at ucsf.edu (Cohen, Sascha)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:17:00 +0000
Subject: [Ciimplementer] error in spec example
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Yes, I recall Terri saying the same -- I may even have it recorded from our last meeting. I think this is more a business rule issue than a spec issue though. That localized keywords would be ignored in the inventory, although they can be a  part of the report. Something along those lines.

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Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:10 PM
To: Valerie Smothers
Cc: Chen, Ye (yc5x); ciimplementer at medbiq.org
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] error in spec example

On Sep 17, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Valerie Smothers wrote:

> There is nothing in the spec prohibiting the use of custom keywords. But the spec does support the use of MeSH terms and terms from other medical vocabularies (like SNOMED). 

I thought Terri said they only wanted keywords from MeSH or other defined keyword sets.  Maybe it was they were only going to do extra indexing or something on those.  
--
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From tcameron at aamc.org  Tue Sep 17 19:29:07 2013
From: tcameron at aamc.org (Terri Cameron)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:29:07 +0000
Subject: [Ciimplementer] error in spec example
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I don't think you have it recorded -- or I was having a VERY bad day :)

There was never an intent for a required list of words. Schools are welcome to use MESH, UMLS, SnoMed, USMLE, or any other set of terms developed by a group or the school. We have encouraged use of lists that include LCME 'Hot Topics' (ED-10) and other terms used in LCME accreditation documentation (in CurrMIT, we called them 'Special Details of Instruction'), but schools are welcome to use any terminology set they desire, or to just let faculty assign keywords (again, we encourage, but do not require, that the list be no more than 7-10 keywords per hour of teaching). 

Early on, we included plans for a processing step that would use UMLS to append existing keywords with 'aggregate' terminology, but we have since decided to use the UMLS step as we query the system to build reports. Many schools have asked us to develop a terminology list to assist them in tagging, but that is not something we are likely to do because it could be taken as too directive. 

We plan to search for terms in Sequence Block Name, Event Name, Sequence Block Expectations, Event Expectations, and keywords when we run content reports.

Thanks for bringing this up to the list, and I apologize for any confusion in past responses.

Terri

-----Original Message-----
From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Cohen, Sascha
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:17 PM
To: Paul Schilling; Valerie Smothers
Cc: Chen, Ye (yc5x); ciimplementer at medbiq.org
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] error in spec example

Yes, I recall Terri saying the same -- I may even have it recorded from our last meeting. I think this is more a business rule issue than a spec issue though. That localized keywords would be ignored in the inventory, although they can be a  part of the report. Something along those lines.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Paul Schilling
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:10 PM
To: Valerie Smothers
Cc: Chen, Ye (yc5x); ciimplementer at medbiq.org
Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] error in spec example

On Sep 17, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Valerie Smothers wrote:

> There is nothing in the spec prohibiting the use of custom keywords. But the spec does support the use of MeSH terms and terms from other medical vocabularies (like SNOMED). 

I thought Terri said they only wanted keywords from MeSH or other defined keyword sets.  Maybe it was they were only going to do extra indexing or something on those.  
--
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