From yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu Mon Mar 11 14:41:48 2013 From: yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu (Chen, Ye (yc5x)) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:41:48 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] how to handle extensive competency list Message-ID: In our school, we have more than 10,000 competencies defined in our curriculum, they are in hierarchy structure. The top competencies are from AAMC provided Medical Education Competency Reference Set, we extend them into more details and narrower competencies for our needs. We map our learning activity (AAMC schema call it event ) to the very bottom competency directly, and indirectly the event will be connected to any competency above this bottom competency because there are aggregation relationships between broader competency and narrow competency. For instance under AAMC defined competency (1)Patient Care ?(2) Gather Essential and accurate information about?. We have more detailed competencies under it, for instance, (3)Musculoskeletal System ->(4)Normal->(5)Pharmacology->(6)Drugs The bottom competency is drugs, but above it, it has another 5 broader competencies, we map our event directly to Drugs only, but we know this event also related to other 5 broader competencies above drugs. So our question is when we reference CompetencyObject to this event, we only need to do Drugs only or we have to list drugs and all the other 5 broader competencies ? Or we just need to reference to the top 2 competencies defined by AAMC in this example will be (1)Patient Care and (2) Gather Essential and ?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jason at one45.com Wed Mar 13 00:12:27 2013 From: jason at one45.com (Jason Ladicos) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:12:27 -0700 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks Message-ID: <4F8DC4C2-AFDE-418E-B9B4-428F5DBF1697@one45.com> Hi there - I understand that the curriculum inventory spec allows us to create and refer to any number of custom competency frameworks, each with their own competency objects. For a group that would prefer to use an existing framework such as Scottish doctor, CanMeds, or ACGME - what is the best way to incorporate that framework in the XML document? Are there existing XML documents that describe the above competency frameworks that we can refer to, or will we need to create our own, that we can refer to in the curriculum inventory document? Cheers, Jason Jason Ladicos Product Manager one45 Software 3rd Floor - 509 Richard Street Vancouver, BC V6B 2Z6 (604) 229-0482 | jason at one45.com | www.one45.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu Wed Mar 13 02:06:32 2013 From: yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu (Chen, Ye (yc5x)) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 02:06:32 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks In-Reply-To: <4F8DC4C2-AFDE-418E-B9B4-428F5DBF1697@one45.com> References: <4F8DC4C2-AFDE-418E-B9B4-428F5DBF1697@one45.com> Message-ID: <58F6A42A-E412-45A5-BB78-423F6C1E7546@eservices.virginia.edu> We have the similar situation. AAMC has provided standard competencies which are in a pdf file. We used their competencies as our top competencies and extend them in more details. We create our own competency framework which includes AAMC standard competencies. So each AAMC competency will have unique URI in our framework. Imagine all medical schools will use AAMC standard competencies as part of their curriculum, if each school creates its own framework, then the same AAMC standard competencies will have different URI or we consider it as different unique ID, it seems not right way to do it. So I wonder whether AAMC has defined competency frameworks, if yes, where we can download the XML file so we can refer their competency object using their defined Unique ID instead creating our own. If not, whether AAMC is planning to do so. Thanks Ye On Mar 12, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Jason Ladicos wrote: Hi there - I understand that the curriculum inventory spec allows us to create and refer to any number of custom competency frameworks, each with their own competency objects. For a group that would prefer to use an existing framework such as Scottish doctor, CanMeds, or ACGME - what is the best way to incorporate that framework in the XML document? Are there existing XML documents that describe the above competency frameworks that we can refer to, or will we need to create our own, that we can refer to in the curriculum inventory document? Cheers, Jason Jason Ladicos Product Manager one45 Software 3rd Floor - 509 Richard Street Vancouver, BC V6B 2Z6 (604) 229-0482 | jason at one45.com | www.one45.com [http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/facebook-icon.png] [http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/twitter-icon.png] [http://www.one45.com/wordpress/assets/li.png] _______________________________________________ Ciimplementer mailing list Ciimplementer at medbiq.org http://medbiq.org/mailman/listinfo/ciimplementer_medbiq.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tcameron at aamc.org Fri Mar 15 17:18:25 2013 From: tcameron at aamc.org (Terri Cameron) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:18:25 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks In-Reply-To: <58F6A42A-E412-45A5-BB78-423F6C1E7546@eservices.virginia.edu> References: <4F8DC4C2-AFDE-418E-B9B4-428F5DBF1697@one45.com> <58F6A42A-E412-45A5-BB78-423F6C1E7546@eservices.virginia.edu> Message-ID: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB0136079BF4@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> The AAMC concept on this is that there are objectives at the event level that are event specific and a different set of objectives at the sequence block level that are the organizing principles for the sequence block. Event-specific objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the sequence block objectives/competencies in the Competency Framework so that the relationship of the event objectives to the sequence block objectives is documented, and the sequence block objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the program or institution competencies to show the relationship of the sequence block competencies to the program competencies. Finally, the program or institution competencies should be mapped to the Medical Education Competency Reference Set using the Competency Framework. The competency framework is set up to show this mapping across the curriculum. The mapping of the program objectives/competencies to the Medical Education Competency Reference Set is something that curriculum deans or curriculum committees do once using a cross-walk, and the actual mapping should be a function of the XML export, since most schools will not be using the MECRS at the local level. It is meant to be a tool for aggregating the diverse competencies being used at the 150+ institutions that will be uploading data to the Curriculum Inventory. Thanks very much for the question, and please let me know if I can provide any additional information. Terri From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Chen, Ye (yc5x) Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:07 PM To: Jason Ladicos Cc: Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks We have the similar situation. AAMC has provided standard competencies which are in a pdf file. We used their competencies as our top competencies and extend them in more details. We create our own competency framework which includes AAMC standard competencies. So each AAMC competency will have unique URI in our framework. Imagine all medical schools will use AAMC standard competencies as part of their curriculum, if each school creates its own framework, then the same AAMC standard competencies will have different URI or we consider it as different unique ID, it seems not right way to do it. So I wonder whether AAMC has defined competency frameworks, if yes, where we can download the XML file so we can refer their competency object using their defined Unique ID instead creating our own. If not, whether AAMC is planning to do so. Thanks Ye On Mar 12, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Jason Ladicos wrote: Hi there - I understand that the curriculum inventory spec allows us to create and refer to any number of custom competency frameworks, each with their own competency objects. For a group that would prefer to use an existing framework such as Scottish doctor, CanMeds, or ACGME - what is the best way to incorporate that framework in the XML document? Are there existing XML documents that describe the above competency frameworks that we can refer to, or will we need to create our own, that we can refer to in the curriculum inventory document? Cheers, Jason Jason Ladicos Product Manager one45 Software 3rd Floor - 509 Richard Street Vancouver, BC V6B 2Z6 (604) 229-0482 | jason at one45.com | www.one45.com [http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/facebook-icon.png][http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/twitter-icon.png][http://www.one45.com/wordpress/assets/li.png] _______________________________________________ Ciimplementer mailing list Ciimplementer at medbiq.org http://medbiq.org/mailman/listinfo/ciimplementer_medbiq.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu Fri Mar 15 18:03:17 2013 From: yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu (Chen, Ye (yc5x)) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 18:03:17 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks In-Reply-To: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB0136079BF4@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> Message-ID: Terri, Thanks for the clarification. It makes sense. Just want to make sure what I understand is right. There are 4 levels competencies/objectives, I listed from narrower level or lower level to broader or top level 1. At event level, all this level competencies/objectives should be mapped to sequence block level competencies 2. At sequence block level, all this level competencies/objectives should be mapped to program or institution level competencies 3. At program, institution level, all this level competencies /objectives should be mapped to MECRS 4. Medical Education Competency Reference Set The mapping among them should be addressed in CompetencyFramework part in the inventory XML file. I have a question about how Medical Education Competency Reference Set be addressed in this file. There is part called which should includes all competencies and show the mappings. This is tag called URL Unique URI for this competency listed here You see that the entry part is unique URI for the competency. My question is if all schools are required to address MECRS, will AAMC provide us the UNIQUE URI for each competency from MECRS, so we can put them in our inventory? Or we can create our own URI for competency from MECRS? My another question is in the inventory specification, there are places to address competencies/learning objectives for event level and block level as you explained. I did not see any where for us to address the program or institution level competence. So if you have tag CompetencyObjectReference at event and block level, should it have tag competencyObjectRefernce at program level too so we can address program level competencies in this file? Thanks Ye From: Terri Cameron > Date: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:18 PM To: Ye Chen >, Jason Ladicos > Cc: ">" > Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks The AAMC concept on this is that there are objectives at the event level that are event specific and a different set of objectives at the sequence block level that are the organizing principles for the sequence block. Event-specific objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the sequence block objectives/competencies in the Competency Framework so that the relationship of the event objectives to the sequence block objectives is documented, and the sequence block objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the program or institution competencies to show the relationship of the sequence block competencies to the program competencies. Finally, the program or institution competencies should be mapped to the Medical Education Competency Reference Set using the Competency Framework. The competency framework is set up to show this mapping across the curriculum. The mapping of the program objectives/competencies to the Medical Education Competency Reference Set is something that curriculum deans or curriculum committees do once using a cross-walk, and the actual mapping should be a function of the XML export, since most schools will not be using the MECRS at the local level. It is meant to be a tool for aggregating the diverse competencies being used at the 150+ institutions that will be uploading data to the Curriculum Inventory. Thanks very much for the question, and please let me know if I can provide any additional information. Terri From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Chen, Ye (yc5x) Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:07 PM To: Jason Ladicos Cc: > Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks We have the similar situation. AAMC has provided standard competencies which are in a pdf file. We used their competencies as our top competencies and extend them in more details. We create our own competency framework which includes AAMC standard competencies. So each AAMC competency will have unique URI in our framework. Imagine all medical schools will use AAMC standard competencies as part of their curriculum, if each school creates its own framework, then the same AAMC standard competencies will have different URI or we consider it as different unique ID, it seems not right way to do it. So I wonder whether AAMC has defined competency frameworks, if yes, where we can download the XML file so we can refer their competency object using their defined Unique ID instead creating our own. If not, whether AAMC is planning to do so. Thanks Ye On Mar 12, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Jason Ladicos wrote: Hi there - I understand that the curriculum inventory spec allows us to create and refer to any number of custom competency frameworks, each with their own competency objects. For a group that would prefer to use an existing framework such as Scottish doctor, CanMeds, or ACGME - what is the best way to incorporate that framework in the XML document? Are there existing XML documents that describe the above competency frameworks that we can refer to, or will we need to create our own, that we can refer to in the curriculum inventory document? Cheers, Jason Jason Ladicos Product Manager one45 Software 3rd Floor - 509 Richard Street Vancouver, BC V6B 2Z6 (604) 229-0482 | jason at one45.com | www.one45.com [http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/facebook-icon.png][http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/twitter-icon.png][http://www.one45.com/wordpress/assets/li.png] _______________________________________________ Ciimplementer mailing list Ciimplementer at medbiq.org http://medbiq.org/mailman/listinfo/ciimplementer_medbiq.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vsmothers at jhmi.edu Fri Mar 15 18:38:38 2013 From: vsmothers at jhmi.edu (Valerie Smothers) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 18:38:38 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks In-Reply-To: References: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB0136079BF4@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> Message-ID: Ye, the Sequence Blocks can be nested to represent the structure of your curriculum. So you may have a sequence block for Phase 1/Year 1. And then that sequence block would have "nested" sequence blocks. I think what Terri is recommending is that the program level competencies would be referenced within the sequence block representing the year or phase (or whatever term you use for the main organizing principle of your curriculum). Nested sequence blocks would reference more granular competencies. Terri - please correct me if I'm wrong! Valerie From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Chen, Ye (yc5x) Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 2:03 PM To: Terri Cameron; Jason Ladicos Cc: Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks Terri, Thanks for the clarification. It makes sense. Just want to make sure what I understand is right. There are 4 levels competencies/objectives, I listed from narrower level or lower level to broader or top level 1. At event level, all this level competencies/objectives should be mapped to sequence block level competencies 2. At sequence block level, all this level competencies/objectives should be mapped to program or institution level competencies 3. At program, institution level, all this level competencies /objectives should be mapped to MECRS 4. Medical Education Competency Reference Set The mapping among them should be addressed in CompetencyFramework part in the inventory XML file. I have a question about how Medical Education Competency Reference Set be addressed in this file. There is part called which should includes all competencies and show the mappings. This is tag called URL Unique URI for this competency listed here You see that the entry part is unique URI for the competency. My question is if all schools are required to address MECRS, will AAMC provide us the UNIQUE URI for each competency from MECRS, so we can put them in our inventory? Or we can create our own URI for competency from MECRS? My another question is in the inventory specification, there are places to address competencies/learning objectives for event level and block level as you explained. I did not see any where for us to address the program or institution level competence. So if you have tag CompetencyObjectReference at event and block level, should it have tag competencyObjectRefernce at program level too so we can address program level competencies in this file? Thanks Ye From: Terri Cameron > Date: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:18 PM To: Ye Chen >, Jason Ladicos > Cc: ">" > Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks The AAMC concept on this is that there are objectives at the event level that are event specific and a different set of objectives at the sequence block level that are the organizing principles for the sequence block. Event-specific objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the sequence block objectives/competencies in the Competency Framework so that the relationship of the event objectives to the sequence block objectives is documented, and the sequence block objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the program or institution competencies to show the relationship of the sequence block competencies to the program competencies. Finally, the program or institution competencies should be mapped to the Medical Education Competency Reference Set using the Competency Framework. The competency framework is set up to show this mapping across the curriculum. The mapping of the program objectives/competencies to the Medical Education Competency Reference Set is something that curriculum deans or curriculum committees do once using a cross-walk, and the actual mapping should be a function of the XML export, since most schools will not be using the MECRS at the local level. It is meant to be a tool for aggregating the diverse competencies being used at the 150+ institutions that will be uploading data to the Curriculum Inventory. Thanks very much for the question, and please let me know if I can provide any additional information. Terri From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Chen, Ye (yc5x) Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:07 PM To: Jason Ladicos Cc: > Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks We have the similar situation. AAMC has provided standard competencies which are in a pdf file. We used their competencies as our top competencies and extend them in more details. We create our own competency framework which includes AAMC standard competencies. So each AAMC competency will have unique URI in our framework. Imagine all medical schools will use AAMC standard competencies as part of their curriculum, if each school creates its own framework, then the same AAMC standard competencies will have different URI or we consider it as different unique ID, it seems not right way to do it. So I wonder whether AAMC has defined competency frameworks, if yes, where we can download the XML file so we can refer their competency object using their defined Unique ID instead creating our own. If not, whether AAMC is planning to do so. Thanks Ye On Mar 12, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Jason Ladicos wrote: Hi there - I understand that the curriculum inventory spec allows us to create and refer to any number of custom competency frameworks, each with their own competency objects. For a group that would prefer to use an existing framework such as Scottish doctor, CanMeds, or ACGME - what is the best way to incorporate that framework in the XML document? Are there existing XML documents that describe the above competency frameworks that we can refer to, or will we need to create our own, that we can refer to in the curriculum inventory document? Cheers, Jason Jason Ladicos Product Manager one45 Software 3rd Floor - 509 Richard Street Vancouver, BC V6B 2Z6 (604) 229-0482 | jason at one45.com | www.one45.com [http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/facebook-icon.png][http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/twitter-icon.png][http://www.one45.com/wordpress/assets/li.png] _______________________________________________ Ciimplementer mailing list Ciimplementer at medbiq.org http://medbiq.org/mailman/listinfo/ciimplementer_medbiq.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tcameron at aamc.org Fri Mar 15 18:38:47 2013 From: tcameron at aamc.org (Terri Cameron) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 18:38:47 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks In-Reply-To: References: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB0136079BF4@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> Message-ID: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB0136079D93@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> Hi, Ye. I would like to clarify that the data you are receiving from your course directors should include the mapping from the event objectives to the sequence block objectives and from the sequence block objectives to the program competencies. Course directors should not be responsible for matching to MECRS - that should be a one-time match from program competencies to MECRS by the curriculum dean or curriculum committee so that it is consistent across the institution. The concept of AAMC URIs for the MECRS is a good one. We are investigating how quickly we can get that done, and I will report back as soon as I have an answer. Thanks again for getting this discussion going! Terri From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 2:03 PM To: Terri Cameron; Jason Ladicos Cc: Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks Terri, Thanks for the clarification. It makes sense. Just want to make sure what I understand is right. There are 4 levels competencies/objectives, I listed from narrower level or lower level to broader or top level 1. At event level, all this level competencies/objectives should be mapped to sequence block level competencies 2. At sequence block level, all this level competencies/objectives should be mapped to program or institution level competencies 3. At program, institution level, all this level competencies /objectives should be mapped to MECRS 4. Medical Education Competency Reference Set The mapping among them should be addressed in CompetencyFramework part in the inventory XML file. I have a question about how Medical Education Competency Reference Set be addressed in this file. There is part called which should includes all competencies and show the mappings. This is tag called URL Unique URI for this competency listed here You see that the entry part is unique URI for the competency. My question is if all schools are required to address MECRS, will AAMC provide us the UNIQUE URI for each competency from MECRS, so we can put them in our inventory? Or we can create our own URI for competency from MECRS? My another question is in the inventory specification, there are places to address competencies/learning objectives for event level and block level as you explained. I did not see any where for us to address the program or institution level competence. So if you have tag CompetencyObjectReference at event and block level, should it have tag competencyObjectRefernce at program level too so we can address program level competencies in this file? Thanks Ye From: Terri Cameron > Date: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:18 PM To: Ye Chen >, Jason Ladicos > Cc: ">" > Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks The AAMC concept on this is that there are objectives at the event level that are event specific and a different set of objectives at the sequence block level that are the organizing principles for the sequence block. Event-specific objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the sequence block objectives/competencies in the Competency Framework so that the relationship of the event objectives to the sequence block objectives is documented, and the sequence block objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the program or institution competencies to show the relationship of the sequence block competencies to the program competencies. Finally, the program or institution competencies should be mapped to the Medical Education Competency Reference Set using the Competency Framework. The competency framework is set up to show this mapping across the curriculum. The mapping of the program objectives/competencies to the Medical Education Competency Reference Set is something that curriculum deans or curriculum committees do once using a cross-walk, and the actual mapping should be a function of the XML export, since most schools will not be using the MECRS at the local level. It is meant to be a tool for aggregating the diverse competencies being used at the 150+ institutions that will be uploading data to the Curriculum Inventory. Thanks very much for the question, and please let me know if I can provide any additional information. Terri From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Chen, Ye (yc5x) Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:07 PM To: Jason Ladicos Cc: > Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks We have the similar situation. AAMC has provided standard competencies which are in a pdf file. We used their competencies as our top competencies and extend them in more details. We create our own competency framework which includes AAMC standard competencies. So each AAMC competency will have unique URI in our framework. Imagine all medical schools will use AAMC standard competencies as part of their curriculum, if each school creates its own framework, then the same AAMC standard competencies will have different URI or we consider it as different unique ID, it seems not right way to do it. So I wonder whether AAMC has defined competency frameworks, if yes, where we can download the XML file so we can refer their competency object using their defined Unique ID instead creating our own. If not, whether AAMC is planning to do so. Thanks Ye On Mar 12, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Jason Ladicos wrote: Hi there - I understand that the curriculum inventory spec allows us to create and refer to any number of custom competency frameworks, each with their own competency objects. For a group that would prefer to use an existing framework such as Scottish doctor, CanMeds, or ACGME - what is the best way to incorporate that framework in the XML document? Are there existing XML documents that describe the above competency frameworks that we can refer to, or will we need to create our own, that we can refer to in the curriculum inventory document? Cheers, Jason Jason Ladicos Product Manager one45 Software 3rd Floor - 509 Richard Street Vancouver, BC V6B 2Z6 (604) 229-0482 | jason at one45.com | www.one45.com [http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/facebook-icon.png][http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/twitter-icon.png][http://www.one45.com/wordpress/assets/li.png] _______________________________________________ Ciimplementer mailing list Ciimplementer at medbiq.org http://medbiq.org/mailman/listinfo/ciimplementer_medbiq.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jason at one45.com Fri Mar 15 21:58:59 2013 From: jason at one45.com (Jason Ladicos) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:58:59 -0700 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks In-Reply-To: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB0136079D93@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> References: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB0136079BF4@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB0136079D93@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> Message-ID: Thanks for all of the clarification anybody. We spent some time this afternoon talking about it and have a few questions, and assumptions that it would be great to clarify around the relationship between local objective mapping and MECRS objective mapping. 1. What if a school isn't using heirarchical mapping list (they use a flat list instead?) Does this pose a problem? 2. Is it okay to map "program" or "sequence block" objectives to individual events? 3. Imagine a scenario where the competency framework has three levels: a) program level, b) sequence level, c) event level. Now let's say that the person in charge of the mapping at the school maps an event level objective to an event, but fails to map the "parents" of that event level objective to the event's sequence block(s) or program. Is that okay? 4. Is it okay if there is a scenario where a sub-objective for a school is mapped to a MECRS? Your note indicated that only the program level objectives should be mapped to MECRS, but what if someone felt that a given sub-objective mapped better, not to the MECRS objective that the sub-objectives parent is mapped to, but to a different MECRs objective. a) eg. At the school you have a program level objective "apple" and a sequence level objective of "orange". In the MECRS you have two objectives - "tree fruit" and "florida agricultural products". The person in charge of mapping school objectives to MECRS wants to map their local "apple" objective to the MECRS "tree fruit" and the local "orange" objective to the MECRS "florida agricultural products" Is this supported? 5. Can a given local objective be mapped to multiple MECRS objectives? 6. What should happen if a local objective is for some reason not mapped to an MECRS - do we report that local objective at all? Our notion is that for local objectives, an administrator should be able to map objectives from any level of the local objectives heirarchy to events, sequence blocks or programs. Further, our notion is that it should be possible to map ANY objective from the local mapping heirarchy to an MECRS objective. Usually, only top level objectives in the local objective heirarchy will be mapped to MECRS objectives, but there may be exceptions to that rule where a sub objective from the local list is mapped to an MECRS objective. We are not sure if it is allowed for a given local objective to be mapped to multiple MECRS objectives. We assume it is possible for many local objectives to be mapped to a single MECRS objectives. Cheers, Jason On 2013-03-15, at 11:38 AM, Terri Cameron wrote: > Hi, Ye. > > I would like to clarify that the data you are receiving from your course directors should include the mapping from the event objectives to the sequence block objectives and from the sequence block objectives to the program competencies. > > Course directors should not be responsible for matching to MECRS ? that should be a one-time match from program competencies to MECRS by the curriculum dean or curriculum committee so that it is consistent across the institution. > > The concept of AAMC URIs for the MECRS is a good one. We are investigating how quickly we can get that done, and I will report back as soon as I have an answer. > > Thanks again for getting this discussion going! > > Terri > > From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu] > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 2:03 PM > To: Terri Cameron; Jason Ladicos > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks > > Terri, > Thanks for the clarification. It makes sense. Just want to make sure what I understand is right. There are 4 levels competencies/objectives, I listed from narrower level or lower level to broader or top level > At event level, all this level competencies/objectives should be mapped to sequence block level competencies > At sequence block level, all this level competencies/objectives should be mapped to program or institution level competencies > At program, institution level, all this level competencies /objectives should be mapped to MECRS > Medical Education Competency Reference Set > The mapping among them should be addressed in CompetencyFramework part in the inventory XML file. I have a question about how Medical Education Competency Reference Set be addressed in this file. > There is part called which should includes all competencies and show the mappings. This is tag called > > URL > Unique URI for this competency listed here > > > You see that the entry part is unique URI for the competency. > My question is if all schools are required to address MECRS, will AAMC provide us the UNIQUE URI for each competency from MECRS, so we can put them in our inventory? Or we can create our own URI for competency from MECRS? > > My another question is in the inventory specification, there are places to address competencies/learning objectives for event level and block level as you explained. I did not see any where for us to address the program or institution level competence. > So if you have tag CompetencyObjectReference at event and block level, should it have tag competencyObjectRefernce at program level too so we can address program level competencies in this file? > > > Thanks > Ye > From: Terri Cameron > Date: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:18 PM > To: Ye Chen , Jason Ladicos > Cc: "" > Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks > > The AAMC concept on this is that there are objectives at the event level that are event specific and a different set of objectives at the sequence block level that are the organizing principles for the sequence block. > > Event-specific objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the sequence block objectives/competencies in the Competency Framework so that the relationship of the event objectives to the sequence block objectives is documented, and the sequence block objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the program or institution competencies to show the relationship of the sequence block competencies to the program competencies. Finally, the program or institution competencies should be mapped to the Medical Education Competency Reference Set using the Competency Framework. > > The competency framework is set up to show this mapping across the curriculum. The mapping of the program objectives/competencies to the Medical Education Competency Reference Set is something that curriculum deans or curriculum committees do once using a cross-walk, and the actual mapping should be a function of the XML export, since most schools will not be using the MECRS at the local level. It is meant to be a tool for aggregating the diverse competencies being used at the 150+ institutions that will be uploading data to the Curriculum Inventory. > > Thanks very much for the question, and please let me know if I can provide any additional information. > > Terri > > > From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Chen, Ye (yc5x) > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:07 PM > To: Jason Ladicos > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks > > We have the similar situation. AAMC has provided standard competencies which are in a pdf file. We used their competencies as our top competencies and extend them in more details. We create our own competency framework which includes AAMC standard competencies. So each AAMC competency will have unique URI in our framework. > Imagine all medical schools will use AAMC standard competencies as part of their curriculum, if each school creates its own framework, then the same AAMC standard competencies will have different URI or we consider it as different unique ID, it seems not right way to do it. > > So I wonder whether AAMC has defined competency frameworks, if yes, where we can download the XML file so we can refer their competency object using their defined Unique ID instead creating our own. If not, whether AAMC is planning to do so. > > Thanks > Ye > > On Mar 12, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Jason Ladicos wrote: > > > > Hi there - > > I understand that the curriculum inventory spec allows us to create and refer to any number of custom competency frameworks, each with their own competency objects. For a group that would prefer to use an existing framework such as Scottish doctor, CanMeds, or ACGME - what is the best way to incorporate that framework in the XML document? > > Are there existing XML documents that describe the above competency frameworks that we can refer to, or will we need to create our own, that we can refer to in the curriculum inventory document? > Cheers, > Jason > Jason Ladicos > Product Manager > one45 Software > 3rd Floor - 509 Richard Street Vancouver, BC V6B 2Z6 > (604) 229-0482 | jason at one45.com | www.one45.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Ciimplementer mailing list > Ciimplementer at medbiq.org > http://medbiq.org/mailman/listinfo/ciimplementer_medbiq.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From susan.albright at tufts.edu Fri Mar 15 22:37:52 2013 From: susan.albright at tufts.edu (Albright, Susan) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:37:52 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks In-Reply-To: References: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB0136079BF4@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB0136079D93@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org>, Message-ID: 1. By not having a hierarchy - do you mean that you have a list of (let's say) 100 competencies and every event is mapped directly to one of the 100 competencies? If not, would you describe your situation? 2. Mapping program and sequence block competencies to events is a good thing. 3. To my way of thinking the map needs to be comprehensive from the program level through the sequence block to the event. If someone forgot to map from the sequence block to the program - why can't that just be fixed? 4. In this one you indicate that there is a sub-objective that is sort of mapped to the wrong national level. In our system we have one::many relationships. So a sub-objecive can be related to more than parent. Does this answer your question or am I misreading? 5. This is the same issue as above - the standard does allow for one::many relationships. 6. I have no idea what Terry would say about this one -- but I'm curious what objective doesn't match to any of the national competencies. Susan Albright ________________________________ From: Ciimplementer [ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] on behalf of Jason Ladicos [jason at one45.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:58 PM To: Terri Cameron Cc: Chen, Ye (yc5x); Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks Thanks for all of the clarification anybody. We spent some time this afternoon talking about it and have a few questions, and assumptions that it would be great to clarify around the relationship between local objective mapping and MECRS objective mapping. 1. What if a school isn't using heirarchical mapping list (they use a flat list instead?) Does this pose a problem? 2. Is it okay to map "program" or "sequence block" objectives to individual events? 3. Imagine a scenario where the competency framework has three levels: a) program level, b) sequence level, c) event level. Now let's say that the person in charge of the mapping at the school maps an event level objective to an event, but fails to map the "parents" of that event level objective to the event's sequence block(s) or program. Is that okay? 4. Is it okay if there is a scenario where a sub-objective for a school is mapped to a MECRS? Your note indicated that only the program level objectives should be mapped to MECRS, but what if someone felt that a given sub-objective mapped better, not to the MECRS objective that the sub-objectives parent is mapped to, but to a different MECRs objective. a) eg. At the school you have a program level objective "apple" and a sequence level objective of "orange". In the MECRS you have two objectives - "tree fruit" and "florida agricultural products". The person in charge of mapping school objectives to MECRS wants to map their local "apple" objective to the MECRS "tree fruit" and the local "orange" objective to the MECRS "florida agricultural products" Is this supported? 5. Can a given local objective be mapped to multiple MECRS objectives? 6. What should happen if a local objective is for some reason not mapped to an MECRS - do we report that local objective at all? Our notion is that for local objectives, an administrator should be able to map objectives from any level of the local objectives heirarchy to events, sequence blocks or programs. Further, our notion is that it should be possible to map ANY objective from the local mapping heirarchy to an MECRS objective. Usually, only top level objectives in the local objective heirarchy will be mapped to MECRS objectives, but there may be exceptions to that rule where a sub objective from the local list is mapped to an MECRS objective. We are not sure if it is allowed for a given local objective to be mapped to multiple MECRS objectives. We assume it is possible for many local objectives to be mapped to a single MECRS objectives. Cheers, Jason On 2013-03-15, at 11:38 AM, Terri Cameron > wrote: Hi, Ye. I would like to clarify that the data you are receiving from your course directors should include the mapping from the event objectives to the sequence block objectives and from the sequence block objectives to the program competencies. Course directors should not be responsible for matching to MECRS ? that should be a one-time match from program competencies to MECRS by the curriculum dean or curriculum committee so that it is consistent across the institution. The concept of AAMC URIs for the MECRS is a good one. We are investigating how quickly we can get that done, and I will report back as soon as I have an answer. Thanks again for getting this discussion going! Terri From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 2:03 PM To: Terri Cameron; Jason Ladicos Cc: > Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks Terri, Thanks for the clarification. It makes sense. Just want to make sure what I understand is right. There are 4 levels competencies/objectives, I listed from narrower level or lower level to broader or top level 1. At event level, all this level competencies/objectives should be mapped to sequence block level competencies 2. At sequence block level, all this level competencies/objectives should be mapped to program or institution level competencies 3. At program, institution level, all this level competencies /objectives should be mapped to MECRS 4. Medical Education Competency Reference Set The mapping among them should be addressed in CompetencyFramework part in the inventory XML file. I have a question about how Medical Education Competency Reference Set be addressed in this file. There is part called which should includes all competencies and show the mappings. This is tag called URL Unique URI for this competency listed here You see that the entry part is unique URI for the competency. My question is if all schools are required to address MECRS, will AAMC provide us the UNIQUE URI for each competency from MECRS, so we can put them in our inventory? Or we can create our own URI for competency from MECRS? My another question is in the inventory specification, there are places to address competencies/learning objectives for event level and block level as you explained. I did not see any where for us to address the program or institution level competence. So if you have tag CompetencyObjectReference at event and block level, should it have tag competencyObjectRefernce at program level too so we can address program level competencies in this file? Thanks Ye From: Terri Cameron > Date: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:18 PM To: Ye Chen >, Jason Ladicos > Cc: ">" > Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks The AAMC concept on this is that there are objectives at the event level that are event specific and a different set of objectives at the sequence block level that are the organizing principles for the sequence block. Event-specific objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the sequence block objectives/competencies in the Competency Framework so that the relationship of the event objectives to the sequence block objectives is documented, and the sequence block objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the program or institution competencies to show the relationship of the sequence block competencies to the program competencies. Finally, the program or institution competencies should be mapped to the Medical Education Competency Reference Set using the Competency Framework. The competency framework is set up to show this mapping across the curriculum. The mapping of the program objectives/competencies to the Medical Education Competency Reference Set is something that curriculum deans or curriculum committees do once using a cross-walk, and the actual mapping should be a function of the XML export, since most schools will not be using the MECRS at the local level. It is meant to be a tool for aggregating the diverse competencies being used at the 150+ institutions that will be uploading data to the Curriculum Inventory. Thanks very much for the question, and please let me know if I can provide any additional information. Terri From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Chen, Ye (yc5x) Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:07 PM To: Jason Ladicos Cc: > Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks We have the similar situation. AAMC has provided standard competencies which are in a pdf file. We used their competencies as our top competencies and extend them in more details. We create our own competency framework which includes AAMC standard competencies. So each AAMC competency will have unique URI in our framework. Imagine all medical schools will use AAMC standard competencies as part of their curriculum, if each school creates its own framework, then the same AAMC standard competencies will have different URI or we consider it as different unique ID, it seems not right way to do it. So I wonder whether AAMC has defined competency frameworks, if yes, where we can download the XML file so we can refer their competency object using their defined Unique ID instead creating our own. If not, whether AAMC is planning to do so. Thanks Ye On Mar 12, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Jason Ladicos wrote: Hi there - I understand that the curriculum inventory spec allows us to create and refer to any number of custom competency frameworks, each with their own competency objects. For a group that would prefer to use an existing framework such as Scottish doctor, CanMeds, or ACGME - what is the best way to incorporate that framework in the XML document? Are there existing XML documents that describe the above competency frameworks that we can refer to, or will we need to create our own, that we can refer to in the curriculum inventory document? Cheers, Jason Jason Ladicos Product Manager one45 Software 3rd Floor - 509 Richard Street Vancouver, BC V6B 2Z6 (604) 229-0482 | jason at one45.com | www.one45.com [http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/facebook-icon.png][http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/twitter-icon.png][http://www.one45.com/wordpress/assets/li.png] _______________________________________________ Ciimplementer mailing list Ciimplementer at medbiq.org http://medbiq.org/mailman/listinfo/ciimplementer_medbiq.org From vsmothers at jhmi.edu Sun Mar 17 10:49:47 2013 From: vsmothers at jhmi.edu (Valerie Smothers) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 10:49:47 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks In-Reply-To: References: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB0136079BF4@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB0136079D93@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> Message-ID: Hi, Jason. From the perspective of the standard, using a flat list of competencies is no problem. That can be represented. I can?t say whether that fits with LCME expectations. With regard to mapping program or sequence block objectives to events, I?m not sure why you would want to do that. But I don?t think it would be a problem. I will let Terri address the other questions. Best, Valerie From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Jason Ladicos Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:59 PM To: Terri Cameron Cc: Chen, Ye (yc5x); Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks Thanks for all of the clarification anybody. We spent some time this afternoon talking about it and have a few questions, and assumptions that it would be great to clarify around the relationship between local objective mapping and MECRS objective mapping. 1. What if a school isn't using heirarchical mapping list (they use a flat list instead?) Does this pose a problem? 2. Is it okay to map "program" or "sequence block" objectives to individual events? 3. Imagine a scenario where the competency framework has three levels: a) program level, b) sequence level, c) event level. Now let's say that the person in charge of the mapping at the school maps an event level objective to an event, but fails to map the "parents" of that event level objective to the event's sequence block(s) or program. Is that okay? 4. Is it okay if there is a scenario where a sub-objective for a school is mapped to a MECRS? Your note indicated that only the program level objectives should be mapped to MECRS, but what if someone felt that a given sub-objective mapped better, not to the MECRS objective that the sub-objectives parent is mapped to, but to a different MECRs objective. a) eg. At the school you have a program level objective "apple" and a sequence level objective of "orange". In the MECRS you have two objectives - "tree fruit" and "florida agricultural products". The person in charge of mapping school objectives to MECRS wants to map their local "apple" objective to the MECRS "tree fruit" and the local "orange" objective to the MECRS "florida agricultural products" Is this supported? 5. Can a given local objective be mapped to multiple MECRS objectives? 6. What should happen if a local objective is for some reason not mapped to an MECRS - do we report that local objective at all? Our notion is that for local objectives, an administrator should be able to map objectives from any level of the local objectives heirarchy to events, sequence blocks or programs. Further, our notion is that it should be possible to map ANY objective from the local mapping heirarchy to an MECRS objective. Usually, only top level objectives in the local objective heirarchy will be mapped to MECRS objectives, but there may be exceptions to that rule where a sub objective from the local list is mapped to an MECRS objective. We are not sure if it is allowed for a given local objective to be mapped to multiple MECRS objectives. We assume it is possible for many local objectives to be mapped to a single MECRS objectives. Cheers, Jason On 2013-03-15, at 11:38 AM, Terri Cameron > wrote: Hi, Ye. I would like to clarify that the data you are receiving from your course directors should include the mapping from the event objectives to the sequence block objectives and from the sequence block objectives to the program competencies. Course directors should not be responsible for matching to MECRS ? that should be a one-time match from program competencies to MECRS by the curriculum dean or curriculum committee so that it is consistent across the institution. The concept of AAMC URIs for the MECRS is a good one. We are investigating how quickly we can get that done, and I will report back as soon as I have an answer. Thanks again for getting this discussion going! Terri From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 2:03 PM To: Terri Cameron; Jason Ladicos Cc: > Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks Terri, Thanks for the clarification. It makes sense. Just want to make sure what I understand is right. There are 4 levels competencies/objectives, I listed from narrower level or lower level to broader or top level 1. At event level, all this level competencies/objectives should be mapped to sequence block level competencies 2. At sequence block level, all this level competencies/objectives should be mapped to program or institution level competencies 3. At program, institution level, all this level competencies /objectives should be mapped to MECRS 4. Medical Education Competency Reference Set The mapping among them should be addressed in CompetencyFramework part in the inventory XML file. I have a question about how Medical Education Competency Reference Set be addressed in this file. There is part called which should includes all competencies and show the mappings. This is tag called URL Unique URI for this competency listed here You see that the entry part is unique URI for the competency. My question is if all schools are required to address MECRS, will AAMC provide us the UNIQUE URI for each competency from MECRS, so we can put them in our inventory? Or we can create our own URI for competency from MECRS? My another question is in the inventory specification, there are places to address competencies/learning objectives for event level and block level as you explained. I did not see any where for us to address the program or institution level competence. So if you have tag CompetencyObjectReference at event and block level, should it have tag competencyObjectRefernce at program level too so we can address program level competencies in this file? Thanks Ye From: Terri Cameron > Date: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:18 PM To: Ye Chen >, Jason Ladicos > Cc: ">" > Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks The AAMC concept on this is that there are objectives at the event level that are event specific and a different set of objectives at the sequence block level that are the organizing principles for the sequence block. Event-specific objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the sequence block objectives/competencies in the Competency Framework so that the relationship of the event objectives to the sequence block objectives is documented, and the sequence block objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the program or institution competencies to show the relationship of the sequence block competencies to the program competencies. Finally, the program or institution competencies should be mapped to the Medical Education Competency Reference Set using the Competency Framework. The competency framework is set up to show this mapping across the curriculum. The mapping of the program objectives/competencies to the Medical Education Competency Reference Set is something that curriculum deans or curriculum committees do once using a cross-walk, and the actual mapping should be a function of the XML export, since most schools will not be using the MECRS at the local level. It is meant to be a tool for aggregating the diverse competencies being used at the 150+ institutions that will be uploading data to the Curriculum Inventory. Thanks very much for the question, and please let me know if I can provide any additional information. Terri From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Chen, Ye (yc5x) Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:07 PM To: Jason Ladicos Cc: > Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks We have the similar situation. AAMC has provided standard competencies which are in a pdf file. We used their competencies as our top competencies and extend them in more details. We create our own competency framework which includes AAMC standard competencies. So each AAMC competency will have unique URI in our framework. Imagine all medical schools will use AAMC standard competencies as part of their curriculum, if each school creates its own framework, then the same AAMC standard competencies will have different URI or we consider it as different unique ID, it seems not right way to do it. So I wonder whether AAMC has defined competency frameworks, if yes, where we can download the XML file so we can refer their competency object using their defined Unique ID instead creating our own. If not, whether AAMC is planning to do so. Thanks Ye On Mar 12, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Jason Ladicos wrote: Hi there - I understand that the curriculum inventory spec allows us to create and refer to any number of custom competency frameworks, each with their own competency objects. For a group that would prefer to use an existing framework such as Scottish doctor, CanMeds, or ACGME - what is the best way to incorporate that framework in the XML document? Are there existing XML documents that describe the above competency frameworks that we can refer to, or will we need to create our own, that we can refer to in the curriculum inventory document? Cheers, Jason Jason Ladicos Product Manager one45 Software 3rd Floor - 509 Richard Street Vancouver, BC V6B 2Z6 (604) 229-0482 | jason at one45.com | www.one45.com [http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/facebook-icon.png][http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/twitter-icon.png][http://www.one45.com/wordpress/assets/li.png] _______________________________________________ Ciimplementer mailing list Ciimplementer at medbiq.org http://medbiq.org/mailman/listinfo/ciimplementer_medbiq.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmj5g at virginia.edu Mon Mar 18 13:08:03 2013 From: jmj5g at virginia.edu (Jackson, John (jmj5g)) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:08:03 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks Message-ID: Greetings, I'd like to chime in on this topic as well. As background, we have been developing and implementing competency maps with our systems for about 6 years in multiple organizations, within nursing, PA education, UME, GME and CME. In our own UME curriculum, we shifted to a competency approach about 8 or 10 years ago. We do not have program level objectives, we only have our competencies. We see curriculum and competency maps as the first step toward a more comprehensive issue, the objective measurement of learners' progress toward competency in an automated system. We have built the first version of that, and will be presenting on our latest work at the upcoming Medbiquitous conference. In order to infer competency, we have developed a model in which each assessment question is connected to learning objectives , which are then connected to the bottom items of a competency tree. In our current UME implementation, our competency tree is 6 levels deep in some areas, under medical knowledge and patient care. In order for this model to work, the linkages between assessment items, to learning objectives to competencies must move from the most specific to the most broadly defined. Course level goals/objectives would have to be positioned between event objectives and the bottom of a competency tree. The problem with that is that course level goals/objectives are commonly broader than the bottom links of a competency tree. As one example, in one of our pre clerkship courses we have 1700 event level learning objectives, but only 10 course goals. We have several thousand nodes on our competency tree. Those course goals each link to multiple competencies. So the data flow, if diagramed out, would look like an hourglass, with the constriction point at the course goal level. The import of assessment results is lost if passed through that course goal when trying to infer broader competencies of an integrated curriculum. So while course goals/objectives are nice to have for a LCME review team, for they provide a quick overview of a specific course, from a logic perspective and looking at the long term goal of measurement of competency, I do not think it makes sense to position course goals/objectives between event objectives and competencies. I think course level objectives are better suited as metadata associated with a sequence block. John John Jackson Dir. of Educational Technology UVA School of Medicine (434)924-1528, jjackson at virginia.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu Mon Mar 18 13:46:00 2013 From: yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu (Chen, Ye (yc5x)) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:46:00 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Valerie, I understand the idea behind nested sequence blocks. We are going to use sequence blocks to address each course in our curriculum. For the course level Sequence Block, it will be nested blocks because we may put several events in one block, and then put this block under a course level Sequence Block. As you pointed out, we can build another sequence block at program level, the program level block will nest those course level blocks. It brings up another question that is with the nested sequence block structure, how do you know which one is at course level, which one is at program level? Do you think whether we should have an attribute in sequenceBlock to tell what level the block is for? It seems to me that there are few kinds sequence block, one is at event level, just put event inside, one is at course level, one is at program level such as med level 1, med level 2 program, I am not sure whether there should be another level for whole curriculum which include all program level blocks. Thanks Ye From: Valerie Smothers > Date: Friday, March 15, 2013 2:38 PM To: Ye Chen >, Terri Cameron >, Jason Ladicos > Cc: ">" > Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks Ye, the Sequence Blocks can be nested to represent the structure of your curriculum. So you may have a sequence block for Phase 1/Year 1. And then that sequence block would have ?nested? sequence blocks. I think what Terri is recommending is that the program level competencies would be referenced within the sequence block representing the year or phase (or whatever term you use for the main organizing principle of your curriculum). Nested sequence blocks would reference more granular competencies. Terri ? please correct me if I?m wrong! Valerie From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Chen, Ye (yc5x) Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 2:03 PM To: Terri Cameron; Jason Ladicos Cc: > Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks Terri, Thanks for the clarification. It makes sense. Just want to make sure what I understand is right. There are 4 levels competencies/objectives, I listed from narrower level or lower level to broader or top level 1. At event level, all this level competencies/objectives should be mapped to sequence block level competencies 2. At sequence block level, all this level competencies/objectives should be mapped to program or institution level competencies 3. At program, institution level, all this level competencies /objectives should be mapped to MECRS 4. Medical Education Competency Reference Set The mapping among them should be addressed in CompetencyFramework part in the inventory XML file. I have a question about how Medical Education Competency Reference Set be addressed in this file. There is part called which should includes all competencies and show the mappings. This is tag called URL Unique URI for this competency listed here You see that the entry part is unique URI for the competency. My question is if all schools are required to address MECRS, will AAMC provide us the UNIQUE URI for each competency from MECRS, so we can put them in our inventory? Or we can create our own URI for competency from MECRS? My another question is in the inventory specification, there are places to address competencies/learning objectives for event level and block level as you explained. I did not see any where for us to address the program or institution level competence. So if you have tag CompetencyObjectReference at event and block level, should it have tag competencyObjectRefernce at program level too so we can address program level competencies in this file? Thanks Ye From: Terri Cameron > Date: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:18 PM To: Ye Chen >, Jason Ladicos > Cc: ">" > Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks The AAMC concept on this is that there are objectives at the event level that are event specific and a different set of objectives at the sequence block level that are the organizing principles for the sequence block. Event-specific objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the sequence block objectives/competencies in the Competency Framework so that the relationship of the event objectives to the sequence block objectives is documented, and the sequence block objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the program or institution competencies to show the relationship of the sequence block competencies to the program competencies. Finally, the program or institution competencies should be mapped to the Medical Education Competency Reference Set using the Competency Framework. The competency framework is set up to show this mapping across the curriculum. The mapping of the program objectives/competencies to the Medical Education Competency Reference Set is something that curriculum deans or curriculum committees do once using a cross-walk, and the actual mapping should be a function of the XML export, since most schools will not be using the MECRS at the local level. It is meant to be a tool for aggregating the diverse competencies being used at the 150+ institutions that will be uploading data to the Curriculum Inventory. Thanks very much for the question, and please let me know if I can provide any additional information. Terri From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Chen, Ye (yc5x) Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:07 PM To: Jason Ladicos Cc: > Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks We have the similar situation. AAMC has provided standard competencies which are in a pdf file. We used their competencies as our top competencies and extend them in more details. We create our own competency framework which includes AAMC standard competencies. So each AAMC competency will have unique URI in our framework. Imagine all medical schools will use AAMC standard competencies as part of their curriculum, if each school creates its own framework, then the same AAMC standard competencies will have different URI or we consider it as different unique ID, it seems not right way to do it. So I wonder whether AAMC has defined competency frameworks, if yes, where we can download the XML file so we can refer their competency object using their defined Unique ID instead creating our own. If not, whether AAMC is planning to do so. Thanks Ye On Mar 12, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Jason Ladicos wrote: Hi there - I understand that the curriculum inventory spec allows us to create and refer to any number of custom competency frameworks, each with their own competency objects. For a group that would prefer to use an existing framework such as Scottish doctor, CanMeds, or ACGME - what is the best way to incorporate that framework in the XML document? Are there existing XML documents that describe the above competency frameworks that we can refer to, or will we need to create our own, that we can refer to in the curriculum inventory document? Cheers, Jason Jason Ladicos Product Manager one45 Software 3rd Floor - 509 Richard Street Vancouver, BC V6B 2Z6 (604) 229-0482 | jason at one45.com | www.one45.com [http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/facebook-icon.png][http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/twitter-icon.png][http://www.one45.com/wordpress/assets/li.png] _______________________________________________ Ciimplementer mailing list Ciimplementer at medbiq.org http://medbiq.org/mailman/listinfo/ciimplementer_medbiq.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu Mon Mar 18 14:11:04 2013 From: yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu (Chen, Ye (yc5x)) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:11:04 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks In-Reply-To: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB0136079BF4@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> Message-ID: Terri, I have a fundamental question about the whole point of the curriculum inventory. You stated that the inventory is meant to be a tool for aggregating the diverse competencies being used at the 150+ institutions that will be uploading data to the curriculum inventory. What I understand the statement is each school can define their competencies structure the way they need. They can have event level competencies, course level competencies and program level competencies which you call it local level competencies. But all the local competencies should be aggregated to MECRS which are national level competencies. My question is when AAMC looks at curriculum inventory submitted by each institution, no matter what event level, course level or program level competencies are addressed in the document, AAMC will convert them into MECRS to see what kind of national level competencies covered or taught by each institution at different level (event, course, or program level), is that correct? Thanks Ye From: Terri Cameron > Date: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:18 PM To: Ye Chen >, Jason Ladicos > Cc: ">" > Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks The AAMC concept on this is that there are objectives at the event level that are event specific and a different set of objectives at the sequence block level that are the organizing principles for the sequence block. Event-specific objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the sequence block objectives/competencies in the Competency Framework so that the relationship of the event objectives to the sequence block objectives is documented, and the sequence block objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the program or institution competencies to show the relationship of the sequence block competencies to the program competencies. Finally, the program or institution competencies should be mapped to the Medical Education Competency Reference Set using the Competency Framework. The competency framework is set up to show this mapping across the curriculum. The mapping of the program objectives/competencies to the Medical Education Competency Reference Set is something that curriculum deans or curriculum committees do once using a cross-walk, and the actual mapping should be a function of the XML export, since most schools will not be using the MECRS at the local level. It is meant to be a tool for aggregating the diverse competencies being used at the 150+ institutions that will be uploading data to the Curriculum Inventory. Thanks very much for the question, and please let me know if I can provide any additional information. Terri From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Chen, Ye (yc5x) Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:07 PM To: Jason Ladicos Cc: > Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks We have the similar situation. AAMC has provided standard competencies which are in a pdf file. We used their competencies as our top competencies and extend them in more details. We create our own competency framework which includes AAMC standard competencies. So each AAMC competency will have unique URI in our framework. Imagine all medical schools will use AAMC standard competencies as part of their curriculum, if each school creates its own framework, then the same AAMC standard competencies will have different URI or we consider it as different unique ID, it seems not right way to do it. So I wonder whether AAMC has defined competency frameworks, if yes, where we can download the XML file so we can refer their competency object using their defined Unique ID instead creating our own. If not, whether AAMC is planning to do so. Thanks Ye On Mar 12, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Jason Ladicos wrote: Hi there - I understand that the curriculum inventory spec allows us to create and refer to any number of custom competency frameworks, each with their own competency objects. For a group that would prefer to use an existing framework such as Scottish doctor, CanMeds, or ACGME - what is the best way to incorporate that framework in the XML document? Are there existing XML documents that describe the above competency frameworks that we can refer to, or will we need to create our own, that we can refer to in the curriculum inventory document? Cheers, Jason Jason Ladicos Product Manager one45 Software 3rd Floor - 509 Richard Street Vancouver, BC V6B 2Z6 (604) 229-0482 | jason at one45.com | www.one45.com [http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/facebook-icon.png][http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/twitter-icon.png][http://www.one45.com/wordpress/assets/li.png] _______________________________________________ Ciimplementer mailing list Ciimplementer at medbiq.org http://medbiq.org/mailman/listinfo/ciimplementer_medbiq.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vsmothers at jhmi.edu Mon Mar 18 14:19:32 2013 From: vsmothers at jhmi.edu (Valerie Smothers) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:19:32 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ye, the terminology (and structure) is so different at different schools, we chose not to include any kind of terminology like "course" or "year" or even "program." It would be difficult to make sense of that data across programs. We do have a notion of academic levels, and those can be indicated. Best, Valerie From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 9:46 AM To: Valerie Smothers; Terri Cameron; Jason Ladicos Cc: Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks Valerie, I understand the idea behind nested sequence blocks. We are going to use sequence blocks to address each course in our curriculum. For the course level Sequence Block, it will be nested blocks because we may put several events in one block, and then put this block under a course level Sequence Block. As you pointed out, we can build another sequence block at program level, the program level block will nest those course level blocks. It brings up another question that is with the nested sequence block structure, how do you know which one is at course level, which one is at program level? Do you think whether we should have an attribute in sequenceBlock to tell what level the block is for? It seems to me that there are few kinds sequence block, one is at event level, just put event inside, one is at course level, one is at program level such as med level 1, med level 2 program, I am not sure whether there should be another level for whole curriculum which include all program level blocks. Thanks Ye From: Valerie Smothers > Date: Friday, March 15, 2013 2:38 PM To: Ye Chen >, Terri Cameron >, Jason Ladicos > Cc: ">" > Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks Ye, the Sequence Blocks can be nested to represent the structure of your curriculum. So you may have a sequence block for Phase 1/Year 1. And then that sequence block would have "nested" sequence blocks. I think what Terri is recommending is that the program level competencies would be referenced within the sequence block representing the year or phase (or whatever term you use for the main organizing principle of your curriculum). Nested sequence blocks would reference more granular competencies. Terri - please correct me if I'm wrong! Valerie From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Chen, Ye (yc5x) Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 2:03 PM To: Terri Cameron; Jason Ladicos Cc: > Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks Terri, Thanks for the clarification. It makes sense. Just want to make sure what I understand is right. There are 4 levels competencies/objectives, I listed from narrower level or lower level to broader or top level 1. At event level, all this level competencies/objectives should be mapped to sequence block level competencies 2. At sequence block level, all this level competencies/objectives should be mapped to program or institution level competencies 3. At program, institution level, all this level competencies /objectives should be mapped to MECRS 4. Medical Education Competency Reference Set The mapping among them should be addressed in CompetencyFramework part in the inventory XML file. I have a question about how Medical Education Competency Reference Set be addressed in this file. There is part called which should includes all competencies and show the mappings. This is tag called URL Unique URI for this competency listed here You see that the entry part is unique URI for the competency. My question is if all schools are required to address MECRS, will AAMC provide us the UNIQUE URI for each competency from MECRS, so we can put them in our inventory? Or we can create our own URI for competency from MECRS? My another question is in the inventory specification, there are places to address competencies/learning objectives for event level and block level as you explained. I did not see any where for us to address the program or institution level competence. So if you have tag CompetencyObjectReference at event and block level, should it have tag competencyObjectRefernce at program level too so we can address program level competencies in this file? Thanks Ye From: Terri Cameron > Date: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:18 PM To: Ye Chen >, Jason Ladicos > Cc: ">" > Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks The AAMC concept on this is that there are objectives at the event level that are event specific and a different set of objectives at the sequence block level that are the organizing principles for the sequence block. Event-specific objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the sequence block objectives/competencies in the Competency Framework so that the relationship of the event objectives to the sequence block objectives is documented, and the sequence block objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the program or institution competencies to show the relationship of the sequence block competencies to the program competencies. Finally, the program or institution competencies should be mapped to the Medical Education Competency Reference Set using the Competency Framework. The competency framework is set up to show this mapping across the curriculum. The mapping of the program objectives/competencies to the Medical Education Competency Reference Set is something that curriculum deans or curriculum committees do once using a cross-walk, and the actual mapping should be a function of the XML export, since most schools will not be using the MECRS at the local level. It is meant to be a tool for aggregating the diverse competencies being used at the 150+ institutions that will be uploading data to the Curriculum Inventory. Thanks very much for the question, and please let me know if I can provide any additional information. Terri From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Chen, Ye (yc5x) Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:07 PM To: Jason Ladicos Cc: > Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks We have the similar situation. AAMC has provided standard competencies which are in a pdf file. We used their competencies as our top competencies and extend them in more details. We create our own competency framework which includes AAMC standard competencies. So each AAMC competency will have unique URI in our framework. Imagine all medical schools will use AAMC standard competencies as part of their curriculum, if each school creates its own framework, then the same AAMC standard competencies will have different URI or we consider it as different unique ID, it seems not right way to do it. So I wonder whether AAMC has defined competency frameworks, if yes, where we can download the XML file so we can refer their competency object using their defined Unique ID instead creating our own. If not, whether AAMC is planning to do so. Thanks Ye On Mar 12, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Jason Ladicos wrote: Hi there - I understand that the curriculum inventory spec allows us to create and refer to any number of custom competency frameworks, each with their own competency objects. For a group that would prefer to use an existing framework such as Scottish doctor, CanMeds, or ACGME - what is the best way to incorporate that framework in the XML document? Are there existing XML documents that describe the above competency frameworks that we can refer to, or will we need to create our own, that we can refer to in the curriculum inventory document? Cheers, Jason Jason Ladicos Product Manager one45 Software 3rd Floor - 509 Richard Street Vancouver, BC V6B 2Z6 (604) 229-0482 | jason at one45.com | www.one45.com [http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/facebook-icon.png][http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/twitter-icon.png][http://www.one45.com/wordpress/assets/li.png] _______________________________________________ Ciimplementer mailing list Ciimplementer at medbiq.org http://medbiq.org/mailman/listinfo/ciimplementer_medbiq.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jason at one45.com Mon Mar 18 15:58:13 2013 From: jason at one45.com (Jason Ladicos) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 08:58:13 -0700 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks In-Reply-To: References: <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB0136079BF4@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org> <98C5591D9F64D04EB4F7DAFEA7B153CB0136079D93@ADL4-EXMB-01.adm.aamc.org>, Message-ID: <1275147A-416B-4D27-99F3-D6D56EDE9774@one45.com> Thanks everyone for being so responsive. I've added some notes below to (hopefully) clarify our questions. Cheers, Jason On 2013-03-15, at 3:37 PM, "Albright, Susan" wrote: > 1. By not having a hierarchy - do you mean that you have a list of (let's say) 100 competencies and every event is mapped directly to one of the 100 competencies? If not, would you describe your situation? Something like that, yes. In Terri's original response to my query, she mentioned that: > Event-specific objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the sequence block objectives/competencies in the Competency Framework so that the relationship of the event objectives to the sequence block objectives is documented, and the sequence block objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the program or institution competencies to show the relationship of the sequence block competencies to the program competencies. This description makes it sound as though there must be a hierarchy of objectives, with top level objectives mapped to programs, secondary level objectives mapped to sequence blocks and so on. I'm trying to understand if that hierarchy is a *rule* or merely a description of the anticipated behaviour. As we seek to build a tool to support managing curricula from a day-to-day use perspective, and with an eye for exporting the data, the distinction is potentially an important one. The key question is: Do we need to enforce a hierarchy of objectives, or can users do as they please (with a notion that using a hierarchy might be considered a best practice)? > 2. Mapping program and sequence block competencies to events is a good thing. This would seem to answer the first question and say that it's okay to map any objective (regardless of where it may fall in an objective-hierarchy) to any part of the curriculum. > 3. To my way of thinking the map needs to be comprehensive from the program level through the sequence block to the event. If someone forgot to map from the sequence block to the program - why can't that just be fixed? It definitely *could* be fixed - my question was more about what we need to enforce. If someone maps a "child" objective, but fails to ever map the parent objective, should we allow the user to report on their data as is, or should we report an error and force them to address the error before moving on? > 4. In this one you indicate that there is a sub-objective that is sort of mapped to the wrong national level. In our system we have one::many relationships. So a sub-objecive can be related to more than parent. Does this answer your question or am I misreading? I suppose I was thinking that there could be a case where a local objective hierarchy exists that doesn't match the way the national objectives are set up. In the case I tried to describe, there might be a clear relationship between a top level local objective and a national objective. In that same case, there might be a child objective of the local objective that I just described above, that is better mapped to a different national objective than it's parent. Is that okay? eg. Top level local objective MAPS TO national objective one child local objective MAPS TO national objective two Terri's initial response seemed to indicate that generally speaking only top level (eg. Program-level) objectives would be mapped to MECRS. Is that a hard-and-fast rule, or can any local objective be mapped to an MECRS? > 5. This is the same issue as above - the standard does allow for one::many relationships. Does the standard allow for many:many relationships? This seems safe: local objective one and local objective two MAP TO national objective one Not sure about this (I assume this is forbidden): local objective one MAPS TO national objective one and national objective two I don't have a specific use-case for this, but I want to make sure we understand what is allowed, so we can enforce the rules. > 6. I have no idea what Terry would say about this one -- but I'm curious what objective doesn't match to any of the national competencies. > > Susan Albright > > > ________________________________ > From: Ciimplementer [ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] on behalf of Jason Ladicos [jason at one45.com] > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:58 PM > To: Terri Cameron > Cc: Chen, Ye (yc5x); > Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks > > Thanks for all of the clarification anybody. We spent some time this afternoon talking about it and have a few questions, and assumptions that it would be great to clarify around the relationship between local objective mapping and MECRS objective mapping. > > 1. What if a school isn't using heirarchical mapping list (they use a flat list instead?) Does this pose a problem? > 2. Is it okay to map "program" or "sequence block" objectives to individual events? > 3. Imagine a scenario where the competency framework has three levels: a) program level, b) sequence level, c) event level. Now let's say that the person in charge of the mapping at the school maps an event level objective to an event, but fails to map the "parents" of that event level objective to the event's sequence block(s) or program. Is that okay? > 4. Is it okay if there is a scenario where a sub-objective for a school is mapped to a MECRS? Your note indicated that only the program level objectives should be mapped to MECRS, but what if someone felt that a given sub-objective mapped better, not to the MECRS objective that the sub-objectives parent is mapped to, but to a different MECRs objective. > a) eg. At the school you have a program level objective "apple" and a sequence level objective of "orange". In the MECRS you have two objectives - "tree fruit" and "florida agricultural products". The person in charge of mapping school objectives to MECRS wants to map their local "apple" objective to the MECRS "tree fruit" and the local "orange" objective to the MECRS "florida agricultural products" Is this supported? > 5. Can a given local objective be mapped to multiple MECRS objectives? > 6. What should happen if a local objective is for some reason not mapped to an MECRS - do we report that local objective at all? > > Our notion is that for local objectives, an administrator should be able to map objectives from any level of the local objectives heirarchy to events, sequence blocks or programs. > > Further, our notion is that it should be possible to map ANY objective from the local mapping heirarchy to an MECRS objective. Usually, only top level objectives in the local objective heirarchy will be mapped to MECRS objectives, but there may be exceptions to that rule where a sub objective from the local list is mapped to an MECRS objective. > > We are not sure if it is allowed for a given local objective to be mapped to multiple MECRS objectives. We assume it is possible for many local objectives to be mapped to a single MECRS objectives. > > Cheers, > Jason > > On 2013-03-15, at 11:38 AM, Terri Cameron > wrote: > > Hi, Ye. > > I would like to clarify that the data you are receiving from your course directors should include the mapping from the event objectives to the sequence block objectives and from the sequence block objectives to the program competencies. > > Course directors should not be responsible for matching to MECRS ? that should be a one-time match from program competencies to MECRS by the curriculum dean or curriculum committee so that it is consistent across the institution. > > The concept of AAMC URIs for the MECRS is a good one. We are investigating how quickly we can get that done, and I will report back as soon as I have an answer. > > Thanks again for getting this discussion going! > > Terri > > From: Chen, Ye (yc5x) [mailto:yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu] > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 2:03 PM > To: Terri Cameron; Jason Ladicos > Cc: > > Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks > > Terri, > Thanks for the clarification. It makes sense. Just want to make sure what I understand is right. There are 4 levels competencies/objectives, I listed from narrower level or lower level to broader or top level > > 1. At event level, all this level competencies/objectives should be mapped to sequence block level competencies > 2. At sequence block level, all this level competencies/objectives should be mapped to program or institution level competencies > 3. At program, institution level, all this level competencies /objectives should be mapped to MECRS > 4. Medical Education Competency Reference Set > The mapping among them should be addressed in CompetencyFramework part in the inventory XML file. I have a question about how Medical Education Competency Reference Set be addressed in this file. > There is part called which should includes all competencies and show the mappings. This is tag called > > URL > Unique URI for this competency listed here > > > You see that the entry part is unique URI for the competency. > My question is if all schools are required to address MECRS, will AAMC provide us the UNIQUE URI for each competency from MECRS, so we can put them in our inventory? Or we can create our own URI for competency from MECRS? > > My another question is in the inventory specification, there are places to address competencies/learning objectives for event level and block level as you explained. I did not see any where for us to address the program or institution level competence. > So if you have tag CompetencyObjectReference at event and block level, should it have tag competencyObjectRefernce at program level too so we can address program level competencies in this file? > > > Thanks > Ye > From: Terri Cameron > > Date: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:18 PM > To: Ye Chen >, Jason Ladicos > > Cc: ">" > > Subject: RE: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks > > The AAMC concept on this is that there are objectives at the event level that are event specific and a different set of objectives at the sequence block level that are the organizing principles for the sequence block. > > Event-specific objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the sequence block objectives/competencies in the Competency Framework so that the relationship of the event objectives to the sequence block objectives is documented, and the sequence block objectives/competencies should be mapped to one or more of the program or institution competencies to show the relationship of the sequence block competencies to the program competencies. Finally, the program or institution competencies should be mapped to the Medical Education Competency Reference Set using the Competency Framework. > > The competency framework is set up to show this mapping across the curriculum. The mapping of the program objectives/competencies to the Medical Education Competency Reference Set is something that curriculum deans or curriculum committees do once using a cross-walk, and the actual mapping should be a function of the XML export, since most schools will not be using the MECRS at the local level. It is meant to be a tool for aggregating the diverse competencies being used at the 150+ institutions that will be uploading data to the Curriculum Inventory. > > Thanks very much for the question, and please let me know if I can provide any additional information. > > Terri > > > From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Chen, Ye (yc5x) > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:07 PM > To: Jason Ladicos > Cc: > > Subject: Re: [Ciimplementer] Competency object frameworks > > We have the similar situation. AAMC has provided standard competencies which are in a pdf file. We used their competencies as our top competencies and extend them in more details. We create our own competency framework which includes AAMC standard competencies. So each AAMC competency will have unique URI in our framework. > Imagine all medical schools will use AAMC standard competencies as part of their curriculum, if each school creates its own framework, then the same AAMC standard competencies will have different URI or we consider it as different unique ID, it seems not right way to do it. > > So I wonder whether AAMC has defined competency frameworks, if yes, where we can download the XML file so we can refer their competency object using their defined Unique ID instead creating our own. If not, whether AAMC is planning to do so. > > Thanks > Ye > > On Mar 12, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Jason Ladicos wrote: > > > > Hi there - > > I understand that the curriculum inventory spec allows us to create and refer to any number of custom competency frameworks, each with their own competency objects. For a group that would prefer to use an existing framework such as Scottish doctor, CanMeds, or ACGME - what is the best way to incorporate that framework in the XML document? > > Are there existing XML documents that describe the above competency frameworks that we can refer to, or will we need to create our own, that we can refer to in the curriculum inventory document? > Cheers, > Jason > Jason Ladicos > Product Manager > one45 Software > 3rd Floor - 509 Richard Street Vancouver, BC V6B 2Z6 > (604) 229-0482 | jason at one45.com | www.one45.com > [http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/facebook-icon.png][http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/twitter-icon.png][http://www.one45.com/wordpress/assets/li.png] > > _______________________________________________ > Ciimplementer mailing list > Ciimplementer at medbiq.org > http://medbiq.org/mailman/listinfo/ciimplementer_medbiq.org > From jason at one45.com Thu Mar 28 21:03:42 2013 From: jason at one45.com (Jason Ladicos) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:03:42 -0700 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Question about parallel blocks Message-ID: <7A4A1F69-48FF-4792-A75D-AD666D4C3AE9@one45.com> Hi there - A couple of questions have come up during our discussion of how to implement and report on parallel blocks in our curriculum management tool. Our basic understanding is that parallel blocks occur when two required blocks take place at the same time. We are assuming that if there is no overlap of dates between two blocks, that those blocks cannot be considered parallel. This brings up a couple of questions: 1. Is it possible to have two (or more) required blocks that take place at the same time that are NOT parallel blocks? - for example, lets say you have two courses that run for the month of January - both are required. Are those two courses by definition parallel, or is there a decision on whether or not they are parallel that can be made? 2. Do parallel blocks have to share exactly the same dates? - for example, lets say I have a course that runs for the first three weeks of January. I have another that runs for the last three weeks of January - both are required. Are those/can those be considered parallel blocks? - what if I have a course that runs for a month, and another than is only the last week of that month - are those parallel blocks (again, assuming both are required)? To put it another way, if two or more required blocks don't share the exact same dates, are there rules about overlapping dates that apply as to whether they are parallel blocks, or is it up to the discretion of the person setting up the curriculum? Cheers, Jason Jason Ladicos Product Manager one45 Software 3rd Floor - 509 Richard Street Vancouver, BC V6B 2Z6 (604) 229-0482 | jason at one45.com | www.one45.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vsmothers at jhmi.edu Fri Mar 29 11:27:50 2013 From: vsmothers at jhmi.edu (Valerie Smothers) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:27:50 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] Question about parallel blocks In-Reply-To: <7A4A1F69-48FF-4792-A75D-AD666D4C3AE9@one45.com> References: <7A4A1F69-48FF-4792-A75D-AD666D4C3AE9@one45.com> Message-ID: Hi, Jason. Whether or not courses are parallel comes into play when describing the order of nested sequence blocks. The SequenceBlock element has an order attribute with 3 possible values: ordered, unordered, and parallel. Here is how the spec defines those terms: Ordered indicates that the nested sequence blocks are delivered according to an established order. Unordered indicates that the nested sequence blocks may be delivered in any order. Parallel indicates that the nested sequence blocks occur at the same time. Use of the order attribute is optional in the specification. I don't know if AAMC business rules impose any further requirements around the use of these terms. I am interested in seeing if the group has strong opinions on how partially overlapping blocks should be described using the order attribute (if at all). Best, Valerie From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Jason Ladicos Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:04 PM To: ciimplementer at medbiq.org Subject: [Ciimplementer] Question about parallel blocks Hi there - A couple of questions have come up during our discussion of how to implement and report on parallel blocks in our curriculum management tool. Our basic understanding is that parallel blocks occur when two required blocks take place at the same time. We are assuming that if there is no overlap of dates between two blocks, that those blocks cannot be considered parallel. This brings up a couple of questions: 1. Is it possible to have two (or more) required blocks that take place at the same time that are NOT parallel blocks? - for example, lets say you have two courses that run for the month of January - both are required. Are those two courses by definition parallel, or is there a decision on whether or not they are parallel that can be made? 2. Do parallel blocks have to share exactly the same dates? - for example, lets say I have a course that runs for the first three weeks of January. I have another that runs for the last three weeks of January - both are required. Are those/can those be considered parallel blocks? - what if I have a course that runs for a month, and another than is only the last week of that month - are those parallel blocks (again, assuming both are required)? To put it another way, if two or more required blocks don't share the exact same dates, are there rules about overlapping dates that apply as to whether they are parallel blocks, or is it up to the discretion of the person setting up the curriculum? Cheers, Jason Jason Ladicos Product Manager one45 Software 3rd Floor - 509 Richard Street Vancouver, BC V6B 2Z6 (604) 229-0482 | jason at one45.com | www.one45.com [http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/facebook-icon.png][http://www.one45.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/one45/img/twitter-icon.png][http://www.one45.com/wordpress/assets/li.png] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu Fri Mar 29 16:42:58 2013 From: yc5x at eservices.virginia.edu (Chen, Ye (yc5x)) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:42:58 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] question about some IDs in the schema Message-ID: Hello, We have several questions about some Ids either in a tag or an attribute 1. In tag , what kind of ID we should put here? Is there anything we can look to find out? 2. Similar question for tab , programID is locally defined or we need to look for something to find out? 3. In tag , are the attributes source and id for keyword are required? We are using our locally defined keywords, what value we should put there for source? We don't have id for keyword, can we omit id value? 4. Tag same for tag , we are going to use AAMC provided list for resource type, instructional method and assessment method, what source and source id we should put in each tag? 5. Can one event have both instructional method and assessment method or can only have one of them? Thanks Ye -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vsmothers at jhmi.edu Fri Mar 29 17:01:07 2013 From: vsmothers at jhmi.edu (Valerie Smothers) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:01:07 +0000 Subject: [Ciimplementer] question about some IDs in the schema In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Ye. Please see my embedded responses. Best, Valerie From: Ciimplementer [mailto:ciimplementer-bounces at medbiq.org] On Behalf Of Chen, Ye (yc5x) Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 12:43 PM To: ciimplementer at medbiq.org Subject: [Ciimplementer] question about some IDs in the schema Hello, We have several questions about some Ids either in a tag or an attribute 1. In tag , what kind of ID we should put here? Is there anything we can look to find out? Here is what we have in the implementation guidelines: MedBiquitous recommends using the FAIMER International Medical Education Directory (IMED) identifier for the medical school in the InstitutionID field. IMED may be accessed at: https://imed.faimer.org/ When using IMED identifiers, use the domain attribute to indicate that the identifier comes from IMED. For compatibility with the point releases leading to version 2 of the Healthcare Professional Profile, use the following value in the domain attribute when using IMED identifiers: idd:faimer.edu:imed 2. Similar question for tab , programID is locally defined or we need to look for something to find out? I'm not sure what the best practice is for this field when working with AAMC curriculum inventory. I'll ask them to weigh in. 3. In tag , are the attributes source and id for keyword are required? We are using our locally defined keywords, what value we should put there for source? We don't have id for keyword, can we omit id value? source and id attributes of keyword are optional. You can indicate that University of Virginia is the source, or you can leave it out. 4. Tag same for tag , we are going to use AAMC provided list for resource type, instructional method and assessment method, what source and source id we should put in each tag? I believe this may still be in discussion at AAMC. We would want a way to point to ids and to the vocabulary that is the source (preferably this mechanism should point to the unique version of the vocabulary, ie Curriculum Inventory standardized instructional and assessment methods and resource types, September 2012 version). 5. Can one event have both instructional method and assessment method or can only have one of them? An event may have both instructional methods and assessment methods. Thanks Ye -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: